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Posted: Apr 25th 2010 1:34PM Lateris said

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In regards to the article I agree. For me it is a relief to play a game that is not a kiddy cartoon land like WoW- no offense to wow fans. The graphics are outstanding and fulfill my desire for a good looking game. I don't mind the nipples. I prefer the combat with the blood. I enjoy the PvE content. I love the terrain design and all the textures. In a world where most of the studios are trying to copy the WoW formula Age of Conan is my game of choice along with FE and Eve. It is very refreshing.



Posted: Apr 25th 2010 3:17PM Pingles said

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Robert E. Howard did a great job of using women in his stories without actually putting them in the situation where they would have been if the environment was accurate.

In other words, he romanticized (and very well, in my opinion) a fiendish and barbaric environment where it would be virtually impossible to write fiction about what women had to tolerate.

And when he DID describe women in peril it was always Conan (or his other heroes) who were making sure they they were rescued or avenged.

Furthermore while Conan had a healthy sexual appetite he also had a very uncharacteristic (for his environment) honorable set of codes and values.

Funcom did not do him justice when they weaved females into AoCs storylines. I found Funcoms women to be about as interesting and powerful as the average topless girl in a horrible R-rated teen comedy movie.

And as far as violence vs. sex goes I think the writer of the article is a bit off-base.

Violence is a very cut-and-dry tool in storytelling. It's either a bad guy doing something to good people or a good guy doing something to bad people.

Sex in storytelling is far harder to use well and, as I've stated above, I don't think Funcom did a very good job.

While I don't agree with how the US treats sex vs. violence I do understand it.

Posted: Apr 25th 2010 3:56PM Its Utakata stupid said

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I'm not sure "mature" only means boobs and gore. Infact, in many ways that could be construed as "immature." It's the subjective nature of that term. Pornography has an adult label slapped on it, but often the content is far from being "grown up" save from the action of genitalia in courtship for example.

On the otherhand you have games like EVE, which I also consider "adult" not because it has boobs, porn and gore...but it needs a mature experienced adult mind to figure things out. I don't see EVE been attractive to kiddies; pubesent, American or otherwise...unless they have a real thing for Gundam or Robotech. :)

Posted: Apr 25th 2010 6:01PM (Unverified) said

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" wonder why you even drew "hip hop" comparisons."

How would you describe the character animations? It's painfully obvious to me where they are drawing their inspiration from. Music video and pop culture Hollywood portrayal of urban "hip hop" culture. Does that feel authentically "barbarian" to you? It doesn't too me, which is why I am making my statement in response to this article, which claims that the games aesthetic provides an "authentic" feel to it. Compare these animations, of supposed mean, tough-guy barbarians, to those of the Vrykul in WoW (a game that peeps are saying is too kiddie for their tastes by comparison). The animations for the Vrykul, who are the barbarian, viking like, race of giants one encounters in Northend for those who don't know, are fierce and violent battle cries while shouting things like "I'll paint my face with your blood" or "I'll rip your heart out". One portrays wannabe's acting tough for a camera, while the other is a fierce battle cry from someone about to put an axe through your head. Despite it's "feel good" cartoony aesthetic, WoW's portrayals of a barbarian tough enough to put the fear of the gods in me is more "authentic" in the way that matters the most and they don't take the cop out of trying to use pop hip hop culture's mediocre attempt at the tough-guy image to make it happen.

They also state that the T&A provides a more "adult"/"mature" setting, in contrast to games like WoW, which are more in line with cartoons or comics, and are therefore theoretically more "family" centric in their aesthetic. I don't know about you, but as an adult, throwing T&A into a game doesn't make me feel like I can now be more comfortable in this new "adult"/"mature" setting and I like T&A as much as the next guy. I would think that as an adult, you would get enough real life T&A that its a non factor in your gaming. ;) A real man doesn't need to "slap his bitch up" to feel strong and confident, which seems to be what the AoC artwork wants to portray, and I think this is a symptom one could clearly associate with hip hop culture.

"The ostentatious trappings of wealth in the face of poverty and suffering, the subjugation of the weak, the objectification of women, the turning of human lives into commodities to buy and sell"

If AoC was some modern day portrayal of the urban youths plight, perhaps having it's character's act and behave like ganstas from a Hollywood movie would be more appropriate. Somehow I doubt that modeling your character animations as if they came straight out of GTA would be necessary even in that case. T&A itself isn't that big a deal, but I think Funcom attempt at it is pretty juvenile, which is why I commented that it was more about marketing to teenage boys then to adult men. Healthy adult men don't "need" cartoon boobs to feel that they are immersed in a lifelike setting. At most, a game wanting to portray a more life like world environment would be more boobie agnostic, not a touted "feature" of the game.

"If you reject that central thesis"

I don't. I actually enjoy the gameplay on a different level.


"newscaster says "urban youth" they mean "blacks?""

I'm not a newscaster. I do see many people, mostly younger, though some were my age playing the same gansta role back in the old school days. That they are black or white doesn't matter to me more then the image and life philosophy they want to project. I believe that ultimately, it's damaging not only to themselves, their self image, but also to the world around them and how they deal with the realities of it. If funcom wants to inject this silliness into their games, who am I to stop them, but since this article was published a day after talking about this very thing with friends, I thought I'd post a word about my feelings on that matter as well. That is what the comments are for, arn't they?

Posted: Apr 25th 2010 6:22PM Birk said

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Prudes and Curs abound in this here thread! Men without the stuffs to survive in harsh Hyboria! Preach your morals and objectification elsewhere, cur...this is Cimmerian land!

*Impales your head on a pike, and sends it back to whatever kingdom of girly-men and scholarly drivel from whence you came!

Posted: Apr 25th 2010 8:05PM (Unverified) said

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I agree - but it is funny hearing REH's work debated like literature instead of the pulp fiction it is. Just Wow. The only thing missing in this thread is Deadalon whining about how all of these arguments were released early without enough testing.

*spits on the piked heads*
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Posted: Apr 25th 2010 6:25PM Graill440 said

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The theme is great as i tried this again after two years, however the communist/socialist themed game requiring mandatory guilds (as many are) doesnt do it for me.

Posted: Apr 25th 2010 6:49PM (Unverified) said

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@datashade, I never meant to say that women cant be just as tough as men if forced into a combat situation, I was trying to point out to the OP that blaming Age Of Conans content of nudity/gore can't be attributed to anything having to do with hip hop music or anything else going on in the 20th century. The simple fact is that Howard knew just like alot of us know that men are simply violent creatures by nature and are only as stable as society allows them to be.

Heres an example, say you have a great husband thats never raised his voice to his wife, always comes straight home after work and loves his family and friends, never been arrested in his life and hes 50!..now have him come home early from work to find his wife in bed with another man, and just for the sake of argument lets place a replica bastard sword on the wall of his PC room. That man will go from Mr.Civilized to Conan the Barbarian in 3 seconds flat, the CSI team has some night ahead of them.

All of us have Conan living inside of us, its who we really are. Blaming it on a type of music is not only wrong, but a little racist...
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Posted: Apr 25th 2010 7:32PM (Unverified) said

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I am sure that when Conan was written, Robert E Howard was ahead of his time, literally. He was a time traveller, who regularly travelled forward to the 90's and was a regular at all the big hip-hop events. This clearly influenced his work, as you would see if you read a little-known, unpublished work of his entitled "Conan and the bitches of NYC".

Seriously though. They were a series of books meant as purely pulp fantasy. Funcom have done a very good job of capturing the feel of that world. Funcom had no ulterior, rap culture driven motive that I can see.

Sexist? Yes but the books of Howard have done far less damage to feminism than vacuous, talentless airheads like Britney Spears. If anything, these books can make us reflect on how far society has come and how far we still need to go.

Posted: Apr 25th 2010 8:25PM Cendres said

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Thank you, wonderfully said. lol!

This was never about feminism (other then a few mis-placed comments after the article), there are a frightening number of air headed rescue me girls in those books, yes but there's also Belit and Valeria who don't exactly follow that formula too.

Pulp fiction or not there's a lot of commentary going on in there anyway. You could write something totally un-officially or comically and there could still be real meaning to it. Just like you can write nothing using empty words and sentences and call it masterpiece when it's in fact trash. Since society can be bought, critics might even call it that.

Heck apparently you can form a whole religion on a piece of sci-fi fiction if you're convincing enough... lol...
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Posted: Apr 26th 2010 3:29AM (Unverified) said

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I think the point of this article is that the tone and narrative of your experience is mature - the player experience is geared for adults. And by "mature" he doesn't just mean boobs and violence. There is certainly plenty of that, but R.E. Howard's desperate struggle of Barbarianism versus Civilization has been wonderfully adapted by Funcom in AoC.

The only other game with as strong a center in literary lore is LotRO - also, I would argue, a serious, and obviously lore-centered game. Tolkien invented "High Fantasy" and Howard invented "Sword and Sorcery." S&S is by its nature, a bit bloodier, a bit more pornographic, and a bit "pulpier." Funcom's version of Howard's world is a really fun place for grown-ups to go.

Posted: Apr 27th 2010 2:30PM (Unverified) said

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regarding this hip-hop culture in AoC phenomenon:

I'm not educated or eloquent. I didn't read a word of any of Howards books. I can describe how and why a person may perceive this similarity.

The first thing to understand is that all persons strive for power.

The second thing to understand is that an impoverished person who grows up in a ghetto/project may perceive their best avenue for acquiring power is violence. This seems to be nearly identical to what a 'common' person may perceive in the world of conan.


* - there are many other factors that influence a persons behavior, but i'm keeping it simple and short.

The third thing to understand is that particular gestures and postures a person can take/make to communicate an idea or concept probably hasn't changed much in hundreds if not thousands of years.

So there you go.


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