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Posted: Apr 23rd 2010 10:11AM Surelle said

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Apparently, you are ignorant as well as an illiterate chauvinist. I already mentioned that alliance life in 0.0 is extremely restricting (and you usually get almost nothing out of it for your efforts), and why would I "move" anywhere in Eve Online when I don't play it anymore because of all the reasons I mentioned?

Posted: Apr 23rd 2010 10:28AM DrewIW said

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The problem is that, besides Incarna, there's really no way to make it more appealing without alienating the existing (and constantly growing) playerbase.

CCP has a winning formula, why should they risk it all?

Posted: Apr 23rd 2010 10:26AM Waxil said

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Walking in stations and such will likely increase the female population (more social), however it's not as though the game population will go up. For every change they make to increase the casual-friendly aspects they lose some players who only played eve BECAUSE it was so "hardcore" (or whatever other term). I suspect a similar trend will occur as they make it more appealing to females.

I guess my point is CCP may be better off accepting that they've got a niche game, and they've done an amazing job in that niche. When you try to be everything to everyone you end up being weak in all areas.

Posted: Apr 23rd 2010 10:31AM MrVister said

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Probably some of the same things they would have to do to get me to play. More customization of your characters/ships would be handy.

A more interactive skill system would help. Logging on just to move some skills into a queue is not what most female gamers, that I know anyway, are longing to do.

I like the thought of EVE but I just can't play it. It is fairly drab, the passive skill system drives me crazy, and there is too much "down time" as far as travel.

I don't think a few small changes will be enough to really rapidly expand the game and I think the larger changes would alienate the existing playerbase so they are in quite the pickle.

Posted: Apr 25th 2010 1:03AM (Unverified) said

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A big problem with customizing ships is that you get more affraid of losing it. Ship and other assets loss is the base of the EVE economy.
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Posted: Apr 23rd 2010 10:50AM Aetrix said

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You have sci-fi and spaceships vs princesses and ponies... Is this really surprising?

Posted: Apr 23rd 2010 11:36AM Ace Noble said

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I agree with those who have said Incarna will be what brings the interest of more females. Females seem to enjoy that type of stuff more. However, we may want to recognize the fact that Eve Online is plain and simply a masculine game.

Just like trucks, guns, and boxing, there are some girls who are into it but it will always be a guy thing. Math, economics, and the constant threat of ruthless cut throat aggression where a miner's best ship could find itself suddenly ambushed in high security space just for sport is not exactly sugar, spice and everything nice.

Nowadays, there are quite a few females who into MMO's where they can play with "pretty" things. Like some of you have already said, the only way to make Eve more equally gender appealing would be to create a new server where, basically, it's a whole different kinder gentler game. Personally, in my mind, I see that as painting pretty flowers on monster trucks just to try to bring more girls to the rally.

Posted: Apr 23rd 2010 11:38AM macallen said

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* Women dislike being raped.
* Eve players enjoy "raping".
* CCP supports/encourages this playstyle.
* Avatars will not help, and in fact will make it worse.

Right now it is common for someone to fly up to you, say "Hi, I'm going to rape you", then suicide gank you, no matter how safe you feel you are (happened to me mining in 1.0 space, multiple times). Adding avatars will only make it worse, because CCP will provide a way for players to actually rape the avatars, allowing them to put a face on the player they're violating and making it personal.

As long as gate camps, .9 space suicide ganks, and 1.0 space murders right outside the Jita stations (just like being raped on a Japanese subway, packed in the crowd in a public space) are not only possible but encouraged by CCP, women will avoid the game like the plague.

Posted: Apr 23rd 2010 11:57AM (Unverified) said

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You must be playing a different game because I've yet to be suicide ganked, or "raped" as you so colorfully put it, even on my many trips to Jita. That doesn't mean it doesn't happen, but it certainly puts a dent in your "common" theory. And if it is that big of a problem for you personally, maybe you should stop going into the lion's den.

Honestly alot of these negative comments strike me as coming from people who simply want EVE to be a game it isn't and most likely won't ever be. Making a PVE server would completely ruin the game, and if you don't understand why that is, you need to find a new game to play.
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Posted: Apr 23rd 2010 11:54AM macallen said

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Then gank them as they leave, take their crap, hand it to a friend while the cops walk over and "punish" you. Make sure to taunt them as your friend walks away with thier stuff.

Girls like that.

Posted: Apr 23rd 2010 11:58AM (Unverified) said

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Seriously if a game frustrates you so much that you need to bring your pathetic tears here, it's obviously not the game for you.
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Posted: Apr 23rd 2010 11:55AM Prisemy said

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I see what you did there :P

If it was between that tripe being marketed as an mmo for women and EVE, Well I guess I'd be getting raped in EVE.

Posted: Apr 23rd 2010 12:02PM DodgyWop said

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All they need to do is dumb it down and include a crafting profession that specializes in sammich making.

Posted: Apr 23rd 2010 11:58AM macallen said

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Oh, here's another idea. Add a bunch of trivial, superficial, cosmetic changes to the game in the hopes of attracting more women. Let the girls form a social corporation and invest 10,000's of hours in it, building it up into something meaningful for them, a reason for them to enjoy the game.

Then let a douchebag sneak in, violate the entire corporation, disbanding it and stealing all the assets, essentially raping 100's of women all at the same time.

Then have the devs publish it on the front page of the games website, like the rapist is a rock star, showing that they are proud of the activity and enthusiastically support it.

THAT will bring the girls in by the truckload :)

Posted: Apr 23rd 2010 12:00PM (Unverified) said

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Is this temper tantrum just about over?
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Posted: Apr 23rd 2010 12:03PM macallen said

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Odd, no reply button on your post Ultra, so I have to post a new one.

I don't want Eve to be something it's not, this contest does. It's a ridiculous concept at the very least. Eve is a fantastic game for what it is, it's just not a game that I enjoy, and I'm fine with that. They've designed a game for a very specific demographic, and that demographic loves it.

But then saying "how can we make it more attractive to women" is a hypocritical joke.

I disagree that making a PvE server would ruin Eve. Why would you think it would? Those that don't enjoy PvP would have a place to play. I can tell you why you'd think it would ruin Eve...the vast majority of players would jump the PvP one for the PvE one, taking away 90% of the sheep that are normally ganked. The PvE server would be larger (just like it is in every MMO), more resources would be put towards it, and PvP would become second fiddle...just like every other MMO. So you're right, I guess a PvE server would ruin Eve.

Posted: Apr 23rd 2010 12:19PM (Unverified) said

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You have to use the reply button on the original post to reply to a reply, a rather awkward system I agree.

Judging from your three previous posts, you are not "fine" with EVE. Thank you for pointing out to yourself why a PVE server would ruin EVE but you really only scratch the surface. Don't forget that the economy for both PVP and PVE servers would essentially be ruined. On the PVE servers you won't have nearly as many people buying goods, it doesn't take a genius to figure out that most people lose their ships to other players, not to NPC's on missions. The demand for many goods would essentially plummet, not to mention that inflation would run rampant as the risks inherent with low security space would no longer be as threatening, basically from the effect of people who normally have no business being in low security suddenly being all over the place in low security.

Meanwhile on the PVP server, you would have tons of PVP pilots with only a few industrialists supplying the goods, again essentially leading to gridlock where players can't be supplied with equipment fast enough. Nor do they have any viable targets to attack, ruining a vast majority of PVP activities.

I'm sure I could come up with many more examples of why that would be the worst idea ever for EVE if given enough time. If you really want to mine in peace and choose your PVP battles, go play WoW, it's fun and incredibly easy.
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Posted: Apr 23rd 2010 12:18PM Nolinquisitor said

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Why trying to attract more female players? Why not just aim to attract more new players period?

Posted: Apr 23rd 2010 12:39PM Dblade said

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I think its because the male growth market is tapped out. I expect to see more of this in all games.
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Posted: Apr 23rd 2010 12:26PM macallen said

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I can be "fine" with a game I don't like. I respect what they've done. They're the only MMO on the market to completely cater to a single demographic vs trying to appease the masses and making a vanilla game. If Eve were PvE, I'd still be playing it and likely play it forever, like 1,000's of other folks I know who quit Eve because we don't like the taste of penis.

And you're absolutely right on your assessment on how a PvE Eve server would kill PvP Eve...but it wouldn't kill Eve, it would just change it. With no sheep, and no industrialists, the murderers would only have each other to beat on, and Shadowbane showed that to be boring as hell.

My comments in this thread are mostly sarcastic, because I think the concept is ludicrous. Here, let me give you an example of my thoughts.

We build a bar. There are guns and dead animals on the walls, strippers on poles, hot and cold running hookers, free beer on tap, you're allowed to smoke and fight all you want, football is on the TV 24x7, farting is applauded, and no one cares how you are dressed. It's a successful bar, guys are in all the time, you're making lots of money. Then one day you stand up and say "why are there no real girls in here?"

In the real world, we'd just punch you in the face and move on. Everyone knows why there are no real girls in Eve. CCP should not have to ask, and the very idea that they are is hypocritical. It's like a rapist dressing up pretty so they can attract more women to...well...you know.

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