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Posted: Apr 23rd 2010 9:06AM (Unverified) said

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yes some mmo's have 40% female playerbase...but they arent the brutal, anti-social, thievery-supported, scamming tolerated kind of game that Eve is

if they want more players and more female players, make a second shard of the game with no open pvp.

Posted: Apr 23rd 2010 9:20AM (Unverified) said

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100% right on this
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Posted: Apr 23rd 2010 10:36AM Bri said

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I echo Dixa's comment, though I would prefer it if low-sec and null-sec kept it's PvP flavour, and made Empire/high-sec a non-PvP zone, unless you were to flag yourself for PvP or had a bounty or whatever.

EVE is a game I would love to love. I've subscribed and unsubscribed more times than I can count. It's an amazing game with complexity and depth. But each and every time I unsubscribe it's the same reason .. I don't enjoy it when somebody can come along and ruin my day and take my stuff. I don't enjoy the idea that somebody else can dictate how my limited gaming time will be spent.

I would enjoy more customization, of course. Incarna looks interesting, but the idea of customizing my ships with a corp decal or something like that is something I would applaud. Not all of us want pink ships and kittens following us around on intergalactic shopping trips.
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Posted: Apr 23rd 2010 9:27AM Halldorr said

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My girlfriend is waiting for Incarna to get back into EVE. She just can't connect with a ship as an avatar I guess.

Posted: Apr 23rd 2010 9:53AM Cendres said

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Ditto, this was my main problem with the game.

It's not as complicated as these devs seem to think it is.. Being blown to itty bitties would be fine if there were more compensation, Zsazsa says it very well.

The game needs a few adjustments that wouldn't just appeal to more women, but to more PEOPLE period.
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Posted: Apr 23rd 2010 9:33AM Birk said

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This seems to be a strange topic. I understand the desire to attract a wider demographic, but Im almost positive that the entire foundation of EVE isnt female-friendly at all.

Now, that is a generalization after all. There are plenty of women that play EVE for the deep political, economical, and tactical structure of it. But I would say that the unforgiving, unfriendly, kill-or-be-killed alliance traitorism that goes on within EVE is more of a male-centric testosterone fest than anything. Sure, it may be done on a virtual spreadsheet, but one cannot deny that the subversion of the game is something that most female gamers...

(again, just my observations on a general trend, as a guy who knows some females in EVE but also has a girlfriend that plays games and would never set foot in it...no feminists knocking on my door please!)

...arent as interested in as other MMO staples like community, exploration, and engaging gameplay. EVE is the MMO equivalent of doing your taxes. Yes, its deep. Yes, its innovative. But no, I would argue that the majority of the time it is not fun because of the gameplay. I would argue that exploration slowly becomes an exercise in tedium as many solar systems are rather similar. I would argue that the community (although many friendly, and even female-only alliances exist) is a little bit more saturated with A-Holes.

And in a game like EVE, where the fun stems pretty much exclusively from being an A-Hole...well, I dont know. Seems like its a guy thing to me.

(disclaimer: opinions, opinions, opinions)

Posted: Apr 23rd 2010 10:31AM Ragemore said

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I'm with this guy, I'm pretty sure it is all the A-Holes, same reason they don't go to the bars or clubs alone.......
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Posted: Apr 24th 2010 10:12AM (Unverified) said

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Well speaking as kind of an odd-ball guy who is more comfortable with the female perspective than the male perspective, I agree with most of what you said, and find that I feel the way you described. I played eve for about a year and a half, first mining, and then mission grinding. I even had the luxury of getting gate camped and podded by some of the more notorious and colorfull of Eve's pirate community.
However, the sort of genuine human connections I might have appreciated in this game simply didn't materialize. Outside of newb-chat, most of the people on Eve seem like super paranoid, hyper competative, endlessly scheming, borderline sociopaths who get off on tricking eachother and shanking eachother in the back. Now... why would I want to play a game with these people? It totally defeats the social aspect of gaming for me.
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Posted: Apr 23rd 2010 9:39AM breezer said

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Unique shopping experiences and intimate encounters.

Posted: Apr 23rd 2010 10:05AM Damn Dirty Ape said

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Pink ships?
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Posted: Apr 23rd 2010 10:51AM ultimateq said

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That's what we need!
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Posted: Apr 23rd 2010 9:42AM Surelle said

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Eve Online really panders to gankers. Those droves of players that are too incompetent to PvP in low-sec or 0.0 space (the "real" PvP maps) commonly resort to ganking industrialists in empire (PvE) space, with industrialist hauler and miner ships having no offense and little defense to speak of against said gankers. Even though empire is police-patrolled space, when gankers get blown up by Concord (the police), it's only after your Hulk or hauler has been blown up/raided, and then they get insurance payouts making their attacks practically free.

I've said it before and I'll say it again: No other MMORPG abuses its crafters and harvesters the way Eve does. This is especially odd considering that almost every ship in the game is player-crafted and ore-based, period.

How this makes a PvPer "cool" or "macho" is beyond me, because personally I tag them "losers," but I think CCP's nonsense about offering money for their shop for ideas isn't going to change a thing.

What they really need to do is alter the insurance payout system so that if a ship is blown up by Concord, it doesn't get an insurance payout, period. They should also completely overhaul the bounty system which remains, as per usual over the last seven years, worthless.

They claim that it would be too difficult to change the insurance payout system, but they sure have no problems adding more and more gank-inducing things to the game (like wormhole space, where you can't even see who's in local) instead.

Pffft. Women gamers don't care about "fashion, shopping, intimate encounters and social networking" crap. ;) But we don't like being forced into getting constantly ganked with no way to defend ourselves other than having to drag a bored gang along just so we can obtain and haul the ore to build our own ships.

On EQ2's open PvP server, or in Aion, or in other open PvP games, you can always fight back when you're attacked, even if you're harvesting or crafting. Your skills go with you wherever you go. In Eve, you're forced to strip them all away and leave them in a dock just to pursue any industry whatsoever outside of joining a huge alliance where they take practically everything you obtain, and demand that you be online for X amount of hours every week at certain times.... Not too practical for those with families, jobs and lives, lol.

Bah to Eve Online. Life is too short and there is too much competition for my gaming dollars for me to bother with this one.

Posted: Apr 23rd 2010 10:28AM DrewIW said

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"joining a huge alliance where they take practically everything you obtain, and demand that you be online for X amount of hours every week at certain times"

I take it you never actually entered nullsec, or joined an alliance?
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Posted: Apr 23rd 2010 1:00PM JustPlainJim said

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Thank you for relieving me of any fears I had about leaving the game after I got through the demo.

People are describing EVE as a 'masculine' game, almost as if I'm supposed to enjoy doing math in my free time while living in constant fear of being stabbed in the back.
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Posted: Apr 24th 2010 6:32AM (Unverified) said

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Your definition of PVP is wrong. It is not just shooting other peoples ships that classifies as PVP. Putting 100 items on the market below build costs to scare away a nub or using your 10 alts to run insta 0.01 isk warfare against the same person is also PVP.

In fact, you can not avoid player interaction 99.9% of the time, this is how the game is designed, and it is one of the only games designed this way.

So if you do not like Eve, there is 100 other MMO's to chose from. But if you turn Eve into a cookie cutter MMO (not meant in a bad way), you take away the essence of it's uniqueness and there will be only crap and python exceptions left.

Oh and ganking is not effortless, i bet most of the people saying this would be so terrified that they would leave Eve for good when they hit -2.0 sec status - I dare you.

Removing insurance would not change anything, there would still be people who did not have a clue about risk reward. I have done about 10 freighter ganks within the last year, and think most of them would have paid off without insurance.

Best regards
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Posted: Apr 23rd 2010 9:45AM dudes said

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IMO the Incarna / WiS expansion will do that, with lots of shops and er fashionable clothes and stuff. A shopping mall in every station might do the trick. I almost wish I was joking. :O

Posted: Apr 23rd 2010 9:54AM Birk said

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I have to disagree with you there mate, seems a little shallow. There are many female gamers in the MMO stratosphere, and the majority of them are not there for the virtual shopping. And besides, EVE begets a completely different mentality. You cant slap fancy clothes on a game like EVE and expect women to come flocking.

Unless youre living in the valley and every woman you know is a self-absorbed, credit-card abusing shopaholic gold-digger, I would argue that many female gamers avoid EVE because of its reputation as a self-serving gankfest with no real motivation to progress (hah, PVE wormholes! no!) other than to ruin someone elses day.
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Posted: Apr 23rd 2010 9:56AM Cendres said

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Don't make me hurt you.. ;D
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Posted: Apr 23rd 2010 9:58AM cchance said

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incarna as long as it includes a wide selection of clothing and personalization on the characters will go along way for people like my wife...

as for being constantly gankeg, get over it im a miner, if you dont like the risk of suicide ganksin highsec, MOVE TO NULLSEC AND JOIN A FRIGGING CORP THAT WILL PROTECT YOU, whats so difficult about that?!?!?!

Posted: Apr 23rd 2010 10:43AM (Unverified) said

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EVE is one of the few MMORPGs without a cooking skill.


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