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Posted: Apr 21st 2010 9:54AM (Unverified) said

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Ow, I'm very interested and a supporter of this suit.Hope the Plaintiffs win and I hope they get a jury trail, because I think thats better for us

Posted: Apr 21st 2010 10:11AM (Unverified) said

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So basically the "class" is every single person that has ever been banned for cause. Somehow I don't think this one is going to go the way some think when all the griefers and PN pile in as class members and then LL commences to paint all the plaintiffs as greasy perverted insane ethug cyberbullies in front of a jury. With endless reams of documented evidence.

Posted: Apr 21st 2010 10:26AM (Unverified) said

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Actually, that's the subclass - almost (but not entirely) everyone who's been terminated with or without valid cause.

The main class involves almost everyone, on the basis that the change of representations over time has essentially taken promised title to assets away, whether or not termination occurred.
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Posted: Apr 21st 2010 10:27AM (Unverified) said

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Fascinating.

I admit I have often taken Linden lab's side in many "whiner complaints" with regard to Second Life being "Linden Lab's house' and we all are "guests" there.

However, in this case where they are specifically targeting the old mantra of "it's your world and imagination, blah, blah" and the way uncle Phil threw around the whole "you *own* it" business...

Well, I must agree that this is definitely a case to watch as it will set some serious precidents if it actually goes all the way through. I would suspect that Linden lab will argue that 'things change over time" and something to the effect of "if you owned virtual land for created virtual items in 2006 - okay, fair enough - but if you sold that land and bought new, then whatever terms were in effect when that transaction occurred are what apply)... or something.

I have no opinion for or against either side in this case.
So I guess I'll just lean back, kick-up my feet and order a super-duper-size bucket of popcorn.

heh.

Posted: Apr 21st 2010 10:53AM Sean D said

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I don't know the details of this case beyond the article here and I don't play Second Life, probably because of the (common) news like this. I'm wonder if this is the future of MMOs in general? That is, a future surrounded by constant legal action?

I am in favor of players 'owning' their property in a game while the game exists. Not only do we pay for the service (unless we're playing a FTP), but we invest significant amounts of time to obtain the property we 'own'. I know this argument gets sticky, but it's very nearly identical to earning money through an investment of time and effort (work) and then spending those earned dollars on a house or a car. It's just virtual property that is maintained by people we pay to maintain it, generally.

Just my two cents based on limited understanding of the intricacies of the argument.

Posted: Apr 21st 2010 11:06AM (Unverified) said

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OK well with 16 million of accounts and the number 5 million in damages that amounts to LL giving all accounts around L$10 each. Similar to other suits that gave a coupon for a free hamburger or something of value as portrayed during the suit. The L$ is being portrayed as having value so everyone gets L$10 each. woo hoo!

Posted: Apr 21st 2010 4:36PM whateveryousay said

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Yes, but the lawyers get a certain percentage of the total amount awarded, so they will walk away with a lovely chunk of change.

Which is exactly why the legal system works. -_-
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Posted: Apr 21st 2010 12:52PM (Unverified) said

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You know, I don't particularly support either side, but doesn't this make you think about how chaotic the video game market is nowadays? I mean, Infinity Ward vs Activision, Linden Lab vs _____, etc. It seems like in the world of gaming there's just a lot of legal issues and policies being worked out that's changing the industry wildly.

Hopefully it's for the best in the long run.

Posted: Apr 21st 2010 2:41PM (Unverified) said

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There are some scary potential scenarios if they get their way and land is deemed owned and the Linden dollar a real currency, people should be careful what they wish for.

Posted: Apr 21st 2010 7:15PM Joystiq Login Bugs SUCK said

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This case has a fairly good chance of succeeding I think unlike Foulbane's vexatious actions.

There is a long history of the Lab publishing "Own Your Own Land" on their websites and advertisements. Linden Dollars were certainly termed as currency, are easily transferable from and back to US$, had banks and gambling, with the limited license only coming in hmmmmm sometimes in 2007?

Pity it is USA only (ex)residents. The lab's thieving ways were the reason I left, I would so love to screw them to the wall.

Posted: Apr 21st 2010 6:54PM (Unverified) said

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Linden has been defrauding people since their inception. "Own virtual Land", "Your World, Your Imagination". So on and so forth. Many people have been seriously ripped off in Second Life. Including myself for in excess of 800 USD concerning the ownership of land. It is a fraud, and certainly people have been defrauded.




Posted: Apr 21st 2010 7:37PM (Unverified) said

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It's indeed interesting how LL's attempts to cover their own assets have been paradoxicly making more people want to target them and also making LL's legal protections become more and more fragile

Posted: Apr 21st 2010 7:59PM mattwo said

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"Violations of the False Advertising Law"? WTF?

Posted: Apr 22nd 2010 3:49AM (Unverified) said

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Typo? The paralegal must have mistyped the wrong defendant name there. Surely the correct defendant’s first name is “Tuco” from the 1966 movie western The Good the Bad and the Ugly. I can see how the typo might have occurred, there are some overlapping accusations between the misconduct of Linden Lab and Tuco’s crimes. Here is Tuco’s tally of infractions:

Wanted in fourteen counties: Tuco Benedicto Pacifico Juan Maria Remirez

- Murder
- Armed robbery of citizens, state banks, and post offices
- The theft of sacred objects
- Arson in a state prison
- Perjury
- Bigamy
- Deserting his wife and children
- Inciting prostitution
- Kidnapping
- Extortion
- Receiving stolen goods
- Selling stolen goods
- Passing counterfeit money
- Using marked cards and loaded dice
- Assaulting a Justice of the Peace
- Raping a virgin
- Statutory rape of a minor
- Derailing a train in order to rob the passengers
- Highway robbery
- Counterfeiting
- Illegal postal pick up
- Intention of selling fugitive slaves
- Misrepresenting himself as a Mexican general in order to receive a salary and living allowance from the Union Army..."

Posted: Jun 26th 2010 2:31PM (Unverified) said

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When I researched this issue back in Nov. '08, Linden Lab was still using "own your own land" in it's marketing, despite the original suit: http://botgirl.blogspot.com/2008/11/lie-of-sland.html

Posted: Jun 28th 2010 3:47PM (Unverified) said

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Are we fully determined to bury Second Life then? This sort of thing should do it.

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