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Posted: Apr 22nd 2010 4:28AM whateveryousay said

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You got that right, Rez. What pisses me off even more is how many people are screaming "TOTALITARIANISM!" while at the same time suggesting that no one should see this article in any other light nor should they have an opinion on the matter that differs from their own.
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Posted: Apr 21st 2010 4:25PM Seraphina Brennan said

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With severe comments like this, I believe I need to step in and clarify something.

We here at Massively feel for those who were affected by this earthquake. Many, many, many human lives were lost in that disaster.

What Rubi has approved of is a show of respect for those who were affected -- no more, no less. While perhaps in our culture it is a very extreme showcase of mourning to close down all entertainment (or if you believe that this is nothing more than a government showcase) I wish to remind you all that the United States did things like this not so long ago. Towns and businesses would close up on Sundays, the assassination of President Kennedy shut down everything, and I don't think I need to remind anyone of September 11th.

Even in our own culture, we have done similar things.

So please, look past the politics, look past the hate, and offer some respect to the huge number of families that will not have their loved ones sitting at the dinner table tonight. Offer some respect to the number of families who will not have homes to go to to tonight.

~Sera

Posted: Apr 21st 2010 5:44PM (Unverified) said

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Sera, nobody in this thread is upset by a display of mourning, and . We're disturbed that Massively is endorsing a totalitarian freak show, and then "clarifying" their position in an obtusely naive manner.

Perhaps this would be easier to understand if the government simply garnished your wage for today, and then forced you to express grief towards your readers?

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Posted: Apr 21st 2010 7:55PM sandwiches said

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Sera, were those businesses that closed in the US forced to close or did they do it on their own. If they did this on their own, your analogy fails entirely.
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Posted: Apr 21st 2010 5:46PM Tizmah said

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Hmm, well I don't agree with a government forcefully closing all entertainment businesses. It should be voluntary, because that is where real respect comes from. Being forces, you just see the government because respectful, not the individual business owners who close voluntary because they feel like they should.

However, you guys are inconsiderate assholes for not even saying your best wishes to the love ones that were lost. You were in blind, unessesary, rage at attacking the author. And hell, who cares if they did approve of government oppression? Is this a political site? Does that affect your daily gaming MMO news? Fact is, people everywhere have different beliefs and just because they don't say it, doesn't mean they didn't have those beliefs previously and it didn't affect your MMO news then and it certainly wouldn't afterwords.

Posted: Apr 21st 2010 6:30PM (Unverified) said

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You guys really missed the mark on this one. Comparisons to 9/11 are ridiculous. Does the EiC even read this stuff before it gets posted?

Posted: Apr 21st 2010 6:58PM (Unverified) said

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Just a shout out of support for Rubi and massively in general. All this emo raging against someone who doesn't share your opinion is pathetic. These threads will be much better off if some of these people actually make good on their threat to leave. With a death toll of 2k to 10k people, a little show of country wide unity is hardly an evil jack booted stomp on freedom. It's insane that people are actually getting upset over this, but then again there are people who support protesting soldiers funerals and the like.

Posted: Apr 21st 2010 9:36PM whateveryousay said

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Thank you Kagato for being one of the few that got it.

And you know what pisses me off the most is that almost all of these people screaming so loudly about how china is oppressed and all that will forget all about China when they hit their pillow tonight. Tomorrow they will wake up and go about their day as usual because this problem that they were so vocal about ended for them the second they posted their comment on this article. But when they were posting, they felt real big about themselves and proud of the way they "made a difference" on the issue.
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Posted: Apr 21st 2010 7:58PM sandwiches said

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So, you can only comment on places where you live? I see. So you can only comment on or object to on wars where you're a soldier or you're being shot at? You can only comment on forests being destroyed if you live there in a tent? You can only object to the mistreatment of people if you're one of those being mistreated?

You have a really skewed view of reality, there.

Posted: Apr 21st 2010 9:12PM (Unverified) said

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Massively supports totalitarian oppression. Awesome.

(Just skimming the comments, I see someone drew an analogy to the US after September 11th? There's a HUGE difference being ignored there: those private businesses closed up shop of their own accord, their government didn't force them to)

Posted: Apr 21st 2010 9:23PM (Unverified) said

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Hi all. I wanted to jump in here too. I'm the guy that's in Shanghai this week and sent Massively the news.

I don't really have an opinion one way or another but some of you are off-base with your rants, at least as far as regular Chinese people are. I've been meeting with Chinese companies this week, and have talked to quite a few Chinese MMO players and other Chinese people. I've asked a bunch of them, including people who operate MMOs here, what they think of the day of mourning and I haven't heard anyone have the reaction that some of you - none of whom are affected by this - had. You seem to be offended on behalf of people who don't really mind this, and in fact consider it a culturally appropriate response. It's hard for me to see how this is any different from government mandated bank holidays in the West (where banks are not permitted to be open).

There seems to be a sense among some of you that people in China live in fear of a fascist government and I'm sure some of you will say that people are just afraid to complain. That's certainly not true here, as I've had multiple open conversations in which Chinese citizens complained rather vociferously about various aspects of their government. Not being able to play an MMO or go to a karaoke bar for a single day just isn't something that they feel is a big sacrifice in the face of two thousand people dying in an earthquake recently. Your outrage is misplaced.

--matt

Posted: Apr 22nd 2010 7:15AM (Unverified) said

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Whether or not the natural disaster affected us is irrelevant. We're criticizing the oppressive government and their practices.

And I'm glad that you can provide several anecdotes relating your experiences with Chinese people in China that enjoy (or are ignorant or afraid of) the oppression they experience. I can provide similar anecdotes from the fifty-or-more Chinese people I've know, worked with, or been been friends with - who have recently emigrated from China to seek freedom and escape oppression, persecution, etc.

And finally, you're acting as if it's a secret (or in the least, still up for debate) that the Chinese government doesn't face all kinds of pressure from the rest of the world to cease their many, many human rights abuses. I mean, what fantasy world are you reporting from?
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Posted: Apr 21st 2010 9:29PM whateveryousay said

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Amen, and let's not forget that period of time when here in the US, if you weren't for the war, and weren't for President Bush, you were labeled a traitor to your country and a hater of freedom as a whole.

Posted: Apr 21st 2010 10:28PM Enikuo said

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It's unfair to dismiss people's outrage by claiming it doesn't affect them. If you really believe the readers on Massively have so little right to an opinion, then it was inappropriate to share the news with this "unaffected" audience.

A lot of people in the world believe that China's government has committed human rights violations and has stomped on the civil liberties. So, of course this recent action would be perceived as political theater rather than genuine concern over human life. Given that, you can't blame people for asking why now?

It's a legitimate perspective and it's appropriate to challenge the actions of a government when you believe is exploiting a tragedy to make itself look good.

Posted: Apr 22nd 2010 4:37AM whateveryousay said

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The problem is that these people aren't really mad at china right now, they are mad at massively.com for posting this article. Because the fact that massively would post this article shows, in their eyes, that massively supports communism and totalitarian government rule.

It would be like another news site posting a report on the total number of people in Iraq that died during that war that weren't US citizens and everyone in the comments section screaming, "YOU SUPPORT TERRORISM!"
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Posted: Apr 21st 2010 10:50PM (Unverified) said

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@Acelin: I'm not dismissing their outrage. It does, however, seem odd to me to get outraged about something when the people who are actually affected by it don't appear to be offended (granted, that's anecdotally....I've talked to a couple dozen people out of over a billion in China). It'd be like a Chinese person getting outraged about bank holidays in the US when US citizens don't see it as a big deal.

There are a lot of things to be outraged about regarding China's government (and America's government). This just doesn't appear to be one of them any more than bank holidays are.

--matt

Posted: Apr 21st 2010 11:22PM Enikuo said

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I think people are offended that the Chinese government is making a big deal out of a very public tragedy, while at the same time allowing human rights violations to continue in private. It's like making a big stink about an animal shelter getting shut down and then going home to kick your dog. Make sense? (I know its a bad analogy - I mean no offense, I just couldn't think of something better.)
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Posted: Apr 21st 2010 11:47PM (Unverified) said

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@Acelin: Yeah, I understand that, though considering that America is hardly innocent of human rights violations, the same logic would say that Americans have no right to criticize China for its human rights violations. I disagree with that logic, incidentally.

It's just not so simple though, and in any case mourning your dead countrymen really has nothing to do with human rights violations. Even the worst criminal can feel authentic, legitimate sadness when his sister dies, as a (bad) analogy.

--matt

Posted: Apr 23rd 2010 6:26PM (Unverified) said

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The Chinese Gov. is overcompensating to show their sympathy to the quake victims. The truth is, it is not chinese, but Tibetans who have been the most affected by this quake, the earthquake was in Tibet (occupied by China) and watching the news footage, the victims are all Tibetan! China just wants to show what a great ruler it is, and wipe the fact of the matter under the rug: that the communist gov. is torturing, executing and kidnapping Tibetan people every day. The quake happened in Tibet, not China, please do not insult the already suffering Tibetans!

Posted: Apr 22nd 2010 8:30AM (Unverified) said

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I can only speak for myself. I really do not care that the article was posted or that Massively supports the cause or not. It's better to be honest than politically correct. I just wanted to point out that, in my personal opinion, that believing that a government forcibly taking away anything from a people is something to support is walking a very dangerous line. Believe and say what you will, this is your website. I appreciate you allowing comments on it and taking the time to respond to them.

However, there are a ton of comments expressing outrage (possibly feigned too) against other passionate comments, one way or the other, just for the fact they are speaking their mind. My biggest concern are with those who dismiss someone's argument as silly without even addressing their concerns. This is a free country, unlike the one being referenced here, and we NEED to disagree. My personal beliefs were not forged by hodgepodging (likely not a word) with like minded folks. It was developed and strengthened through healthy debate with very passionate folks whom have very different opinions than myself. We had very spirited arguments; but once they were over, we still respected one another.

Speak freely and honestly, ask bold questions, and do not dismiss someone because they have a different point of view. We lose freedom once we take it for granted.

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