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Posted: Apr 16th 2010 1:49PM Muir said

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There are four levels of riding in WoW: normal ground (60% above run speed), epic ground (100%), flying (150%), and epic flying (280%), plus "cold weather flying" which allows you to fly in the expansion areas.

Mount costs for each level respectively: 1g, 10g, 50g, 100g, none (use the same mount)
Total gold saved over the life of your character by buying the horse: 161g

Training costs for each level: 4g, 50g, 250g, 5000g, 1000g
Total gold you will still have to pay over the life of the character even if you get the horse: 6304g

The horse is cosmetic. Extra bag space and respecs are not. Certainly it's overpriced, but far from being necessary.
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Posted: Apr 16th 2010 1:56PM Deadalon said

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hmm - and I thought that it was intresting to buy a mount or a car or a SPACESHIP !

But now I get it.. Its the dam training that is so expensive !!!

Now YOU might understand why allods has a high death penalty ... And why BLizzard changed the mount prices like 8 months ago.

Again - What do you think is the next step from Blizzard to puch the envelope? Race maybe ? Its not like it will affect the gameplay... its only "cosmetic"

Brb - buying a Ferrari for 1
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Posted: Apr 16th 2010 2:06PM jmerriex said

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People are missing a key here. This mount allows you to use it ANYWHERE including in areas where flying mounts are not allowed (though it is restricted to ground movement there). NO OTHER MOUNT IN GAME ALLOWS THAT.

Also the Allods bag was SMALLER than a bag that could be earned in game. It was WAY more balanced than this mount. In STO you can earn respecs just like you could in CoX (who also sold them for $10). To make like this mount has no effect in game is ridiculous. People are just trying to justify the double standard.
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Posted: Apr 16th 2010 2:58PM (Unverified) said

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@ Jon
Headless Horseman's Mount
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Posted: Apr 16th 2010 4:13PM jmerriex said

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@Aversion I was totally owned there. In my defense you are more likely to get elected president than to get that mount.
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Posted: Apr 17th 2010 12:59AM Tbah said

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quote Daedalon:

"Again - What do you think is the next step from Blizzard to puch the envelope? Race maybe ? Its not like it will affect the gameplay... its only "cosmetic" "

Now you could argue that certain expansion packs do this, wouldn't you? I mean you cannot play the Draenei or Blood elves unless you have the first xpack. Nor Goblins or Worgen without the third one.
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Posted: Apr 16th 2010 1:20PM yojibalinese said

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Why? It's very simple.

Wow.com is made for people that love Wow. Massively.com doesn't cater to one game. It has a VERY DIVERSE population. If there was a sto-blog.com or whatever, and the people that went there found the amount of coverage on JUST STO that you find on wow.com (pretty much a new article every hour or less on the one game), you'd find probably 40% of the people happy about the C-store, 26% unhappy with it and the rest not caring (like that wow.com poll).

People that don't like wow don't usually go to wow.com

People that don't like STO or F2P games will still come here for the odd article on their own game (which is probably 1-2 a week for most mmos on this site). What do they do in the meantime?

The read the articles of the games that they don't like!

Okay, that was generalization but at least a bit true.

20 bucks for 6 backpack slots is a lot. 25 bucks so that I have all of my characters free up one space on their bars for a single mount that scales and is pretty and will arrive at the mailbox of all future characters I create is pretty legedary. Plus it's pretty.

I dropped 10 bucks for a perminant ostrich in runes of magic and I only played THAT game for a month. Wow's had me for 4 years, off and on. ^__^ I also have paid for race changes too. ^__^

Posted: Apr 16th 2010 3:27PM whateveryousay said

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The thing is, if you only bought that one mount in Runes of Magic, then all you ever payed was 10 bucks. No big loss. WoW had your for 4 years, off and on. Let's assume you payed the sub for three out of those four years. That means you've payed 540 bucks in subs alone. Let's say you payed the now lowest price for all three pieces of the game (core, burning, and king), that's another 90 bucks. that's 630 dollars you've put into that game, and now blizzard wants another 25 for that "pretty" horse.

I'm not trying to say that it wasn't worth all that cash you put into the game over all this time, i'm just saying that you can't compare the money you put into a f2p game like Runes of Magic with the money you put into a p2p game like WoW. Even at the slightest level, like you were trying to describe, it just doesn't work.
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Posted: Apr 16th 2010 1:26PM JanChel said

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It's ok because WoW is a good game. Ooh.

People would be willing to pay for stuff if that game were up to snuff. Which CO is clearly not. Or any of these other games with C-stores.

Posted: Apr 16th 2010 1:27PM Sethisto said

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It's ridiculous. Paying monthly for a game, buying each expansion, and then being charged ON TOP of that for a freakin mount that should be an in game reward?

And you know blizzard is going to look at this and say "hey we just made 3 million in 2 hours from selling a stupid reskinned star horse to a bunch of idiots, why would we bother releasing cool mounts in game anymore when we can just sell them?"

And the fact that it has such a huge advantage over every other mount. Being able to use it anywhere, and trade it to alts, is huge. Cataclysm is going to see an army of worgen running around on star horses for the race to first 85 worgen druid on the server.

This business model is awesome for other games that are FREE TO PLAY and DONT HAVE A 50 DOLLAR EXPANSION EVERY OTHER YEAR.

But like you said in your post, WoW players don't even seem to give a rats ass. They are taking it hookline and sinker and blizzard is going to exploit the hell out of it, especially with that asshole CEO and his "GAMES=MONEY ONLY" thing hes pulling.

Posted: Apr 16th 2010 1:29PM (Unverified) said

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Your article just seemed to be a rant about people not supporting games they thought were not worth supporting, and supporting a game they did deem worth supporting - I get the double standard thing if people were to like both games equally until something like this was introduced, but so far as I could tell both your examples were pretty mediocre, at best, games (obviously personal opinion derived from accounts from friends and fellow gamers).

I agree, completely, with the arguments made about future content (i'm talking substantial content not some cosmetic items) being kept out of the game, until you purchase it from the store - I shudder at the thought, but if something like that happens I'll just cancel my sub. Simple as that. I don't like how this might, and probably will, encourage blizzard to keep items like this out of the game (other than if you visit their store), but what more can a customer do other than vote with their wallet?

Also, this has been happening for years in WoW (recruit a friend, TCG), and only now is it a big deal? Why are people all of a sudden up on arms?

Posted: Apr 16th 2010 1:30PM Nef said

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I find it funny that people will collectively throw millions of dollars at a digital flying pony in short order. When you consider the price of expansions, actually, (excepting EQ2's) it would be over half of one -- if not more. (I'd say the usual price is 30-40 for an expansion.) I don't know if the high price point was supposed to be a barrier to keep it fairly 'unique', or if Blizzard actually thought a ton of people would buy it despite the high cost. Either way, it's a complete win for them.

As to the double-standards, I think the MMO genre always had those in spades. When a person's favorite does something, it's awesome, when a game they hate (for some indescribable reason) does it, it's terrible and should be burned at the stake. Human nature sucks.

Posted: Apr 16th 2010 1:33PM (Unverified) said

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What I wonder is why 90% of Massively's articles that even touch on Wow subject usually come off as an invite to rants and flamefests? Isnt Journalism (I guess this is more of a personal blog type of thing though) suppose to be objective?

Don't get me wrong. Wow has millions of flaws, guess what? So does every single game out there, and we all play the one we get along with the most.

I don't mean to sound harsh but how naive and ignorant are people to believe that companies won't do what they can to make cash? The mount is the first item that has anything of an in-game advantage (and even so it's arguable as the lowest mount is like 10g or something these days?).

Let's have a discussion over where microtransactions is a good thing or not, and how they fit in the overall subscription model that todays online games have to live with. Instead of it being the daily Massively whinefest with people that are now part of the wow-hate-crew. Voice your opinions but make an argument , don't just bitch.

You're fine with Cryptic selling respecs (sounds like a pretty big in-game advantage) but you're horrified that people accept a cosmectic mount? Then write down why. Let us know how it could be done differently. There's intellegent people here but most of the time you guys come across like 14 year old boys who didnt get that raid spot back in 2005 and now it's your lifes goal to bash anything wow related.

My personal opinion? Micro transactions suck because I realise some people can't afford to buy these kind of thigs. But at the same time I realise the advantage from the company's side of things and if they can sell 150.000 mounts that will allow them to continue developing quality content that entertain millions of people then that seems like a good trade off for me. I wish DAOC had micro transactions back in the day, maybe that had kept it alive longer.

I guess the bottom line is this. If you live a good life and you can afford to drop money on items like these then why not? It's not an advantage over the next guy and its only colored pixels, but if you chose to buy the colored pixels that is your choice. If you disagree with that choice then please try and sound like you have an original opinion based on facts rather then crying because Blizzard have figured out a way to make lots and lots of cash. Many of us strive in life to make lots and lots of cash, so unless you are jelous that they figured out how exaclty what is the problem?

Posted: Apr 16th 2010 1:47PM Rialle said

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Yeah, personally I do not want to see micro transactions in WoW. Blizzard is not struggling in the subscription department. At this point it comes off as pure greed. This is not about keeping a struggling game afloat or anything like it was with DDO.

I think it'll only be a matter of time until Blizzard gets greedy enough to try to sell gear with stats on it, while still charging $15/mo for a subscription. And anyone who bought this mount will have helped pave the way for it.
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Posted: Apr 16th 2010 2:13PM ployer said

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@SHD I agree with you completely, a companies primary purpose is to make money, It does that by selling goods or services. If people buy the mount so what? A lot of people are willing to pay the 25 bucks to get one because they want it and have the money to spend. It's not like anyone is holding a gun to their head making them buy it.

@Rialle This does not offer any real advantage to players, and I have heard a lot of people say "OMG they are going to sell gear now!" or something just as silly. Until they actually do start selling gear quit saying it. I do suspect they will be making more mounts to sell because it is obviously a money maker, i know I would if I were them.
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Posted: Apr 16th 2010 1:31PM (Unverified) said

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I should say something relevant and serious here but that Weebls-stuff video has put me in a happy place far beyond the bile-infused bitterness that this post would usually instill in me...

Posted: Apr 16th 2010 1:34PM Deadalon said

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Or rather - may GOLD bless WOW addicts !

Posted: Apr 16th 2010 1:36PM Deadalon said

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Chi Ching

Posted: Apr 16th 2010 1:36PM Rialle said

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Right, you are making the assumption that the same people in WoW who decry micro transactions in other games are the same ones buying this horse. There are millions of players, and they all might just have differing opinions on the whole thing.

I am glad that at least Blizzard made this new flying mount scalable. When I initially saw it I was worried that basically they would basically be selling 310% speed for $25, but that isn't the case. This mount scales with your existing skill.

Either way, these micro transactions are still part of the reason that WoW has started to leave a bad taste in my mouth. Blizzard has what, 10 million subscribers? And yet they still feel the need to have a little novelty item shop on the side. They've already made millions off of this mount.

My even bigger complaint with WoW is that you are forced to "buy" supplemental lore in the form of novels and comics in order to fully understand what is going on in the game.

For example:

The "missing diplomat" quest line, regarding the missing King of Stormwind, was resolved in the comic books. Many of us remember that quest line from classic, and wondered why it just seemed to suddenly drop off. It seemed that Blizzard wanted to do something with it later on, something that would be BIG. However, they never did. Instead they told the story in the comic books then suddenly decided to plop King Varian in back in Stormwind right before WOTLK came out. This served as a big WTF for most of us until we realized it was all explained in a comic book.

Posted: Apr 16th 2010 1:38PM Marz said

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.The most frustrating thing I have found in games is lack of bag space, so if a company purposely doesn't give you enough space and makes you pay real money to get more bags space yeah I would be frustrated with that.

Sometimes with a new game you just don't know what you are doing. You mess up your character and you need to re-spec, if a company charged me Real money to re-spec a character in game, yeah I would be frustrated.

I don't need a fancy mount. I got a mount; it gets me from here to there just fine.

If Blizzard made us pay for extra bag space with real money I would be outraged or have to pay real money to respec my character. But a new mount? I don't need it, won't buy it. Mounts are cheap anyway; it's the riding skill that is a pain.

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