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Posted: Apr 3rd 2010 3:49PM Randomessa said

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/signed and /signed again!
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Posted: Apr 3rd 2010 4:10PM (Unverified) said

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I don't see any word twisting going on at all. A huge part of the problem is they didn't poll the user base to see who would best represent the community in this new "ambassador" role. One of the personal sites for a council member was posted on the main STO site:

http://shutupwesley.tumblr.com

How does this show that this member can represent the community, if this is all we have to go on, especially the March 26 post, which I will not reproduce here.

STO fans want a say in who represents them, that is the biggest concern, imo.

Posted: Apr 6th 2010 8:19PM (Unverified) said

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Most of us on the STO forums have issues with WHO they choose, not the Council itself.
This is the site, linked from STO's Council announcement page, of one of our glorious new Council members:
http://shutupwesley.tumblr.com/post/474098642/my-dad-pissed-me-off-big-time-so-i-used-his-razor-to

Posted: Apr 3rd 2010 8:30PM (Unverified) said

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I don't think the uproar is about there being a council, it's about who's on it. Looking at the shutupwesley site, I don't even see anything about star trek on there that I can find. It's all about Dr. Who, how many times you can fit f..k on one page and how she likes to shave her vagina with older men's razors. I don't know what sort of useful input she can provide unless they're planning on implementing a bikini waxing mini game at some point.

Posted: Apr 3rd 2010 6:02PM Graill440 said

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Again ignorance rears its head. Its more and more obvious kids run these companies and not adults with common sense or wisdom.

This is how its done folks whether you think it needs to happen or not.

One takes a pool of people from a *wide* demographic >the company personally inteviews them< this ensures no idiots or uneducate fanatics are allowed at meetings, the selected board members are thinned out and a final interview is made, people are selected and contracts, whether paid or unpaid are signed in person.

This total crap of Boards like EVE and now STO, a stellar example of mismanagement and people in charge with no clue.

EVE is lord of the flies at its peak, STO is following suit very quickly.

Lets go cryptic, grab your balls and make a decision. To funny.

Posted: Apr 3rd 2010 9:27PM The Grand Nagus said

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Its sad to say, but Cryptic just has no idea what their doing. Their making glaring mistake after mistake, and the community is simply getting tired of it. This latest blunder is one of the worst, IMO. In an MMO, every single player should have an EQUAL voice. However, "player councils" always have more influence with the Devs than the "normal people". Its a pathetic system that has no place in STO or any other MMO to be honest.

Posted: Apr 3rd 2010 10:18PM (Unverified) said

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I'm okay with the advisory council with the exception of the chick who apparently cannot understand nominal Trek.

Really what was Cryptic thinking adding that crap to the list of websites and people that they want to be for all intents and purposes a face to the Star Trek community.

Posted: Apr 6th 2010 12:26AM Tinmanau said

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The whole point of this according to Ivan (Cryptic) is so they have another avenue of feedback, not a "preferred" or "elite" one, it'll be where the non-gamer Star Trek fans can give input (presumably on things that would get them to play).

Personally, I think it's a good thing that they are asking for feedback from other areas, MMO's these days are way too inbred and they really do need to open up and get ideas/feedback from non-gamers (who probably only think in "Like WoW, but with this tweak" ideas). The last thing I want to play is "WoW in Space" :/

Posted: Apr 3rd 2010 11:23PM (Unverified) said

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"But I wander why they just didn't do like Eve Online does. All the community to elect a select number of members (via campaigning and voting) to be on the council."

Maybe they want to work with people who have given valuable input in the past (I'm *assuming* that is why they picked those they did) as opposed to a popularity contest?

Posted: Apr 3rd 2010 11:25PM (Unverified) said

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Roper - you've been in your new position of 'power' for what, a few days?
And already you've successfully managed to divide the already god-awful STO community.

Yup, good job you moron.
Another promotion due now?

(ps that 'http://shutupwesley.tumblr.com' site has been taken down. lol)

Posted: Apr 4th 2010 4:30AM (Unverified) said

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What i find most annoying is that the people who are against the player council refuse to understand what it is about, Cryptic are trying to get some feedback from the players who dont go to the official forums, their opinions arent more important but right now their opinions arent heard at all.

Posted: Apr 4th 2010 5:55AM (Unverified) said

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What's even more annoying is you're not understand why people are upset. Try and read or is that too time-consuming and its simpler to assume why people are upset?
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Posted: Apr 4th 2010 5:56AM (Unverified) said

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"you're not understanding"

WTB Edit button. :(
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Posted: Apr 4th 2010 1:49PM macallen said

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Player advisory groups can be a boon to a game, in specific situations. If the game is doing well, and there are large groups of people who all feel the same way, having one person gathering that group's input and consolidating it is a good thing.

STO is not doing well, and is about 10% of the game it should be, so EVERYone is upset, and EVERYone has an opinion of what needs to be in the game.

The problem with Cryptic choosing people is that they have done it before. They announced shortly after release that they'd created a special group of testers that they were working with, gave them titles and special treatment, and the community didn't like that either. Favoritism (when the vendor chooses the people) is a ridiculously stupid way to do that. You let the player base choose, then it's our fault if the guy's an idiot.

Posted: Apr 4th 2010 3:48PM (Unverified) said

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For whatever reason, it seems cryptic enjoys having their forums in an uproar over the weekend. This council business for example, announced on friday afternoon just before they turn out the lights for the weekend. It was the same thing with the atari sale fiasco, and multiple others. I guess they figure bad press is better than no press.

Posted: Apr 4th 2010 6:25PM (Unverified) said

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can you blame the people who have taken an active role in its development over the last 2 years when they feel that they are suddenly being shut out?

Yes Cryptic laid out a real pretty debacle here.
First off, Cryptic has produced conflicting information on this advisory group so most of the people paying attention still have no idea what the council is or what they will do. so dont get all up in the faces of forum members who cant decypher the pure BS comming out of the Cryptic marketing department.

after reading the info over and over all I can tell is the group is tasked with providing Cryptic with feature requests and opinions from 2 groups

current players who dont use the official forums

and startrek fans who don't know about or care about STO.

in effect you have Atari's viral marketing firm picking names from a hat of people with some sort of journalistic or ST/STO related website with some sort of fanbase
to be the defacto lords of data coming from people who either dont care or have no interest being part of the official discussion. its a complete clusterfook, poor planning, rushed implementation and pissing off the already pissed off playerbase that posts on the forums even more.

Posted: Apr 4th 2010 6:32PM (Unverified) said

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as i finished my comments I noticed something that is to this issue.

Atari/Cryptic is using the group to drum up new business.
perhaps they should take some of the mountain of cash they have made already and do some actual advertising, yeah sorry they blew it all on superbowl ads, but it really makes me laugh to see discussion on yet another freakout brought on by Cryptic's marketing department, and whats in the banner ads on the page with all the STO news here in massively.com?

EVE ONLINE!... 2 EVE banner ads and not a single mention of STO outside of the articles.

Cryptic fails on so mant levels its not even funny

Posted: Apr 5th 2010 12:05AM KorbenDallas said

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This can't be. How can Cryptic feel their so out of touch to have to have members of their failed community participate in their failed experiment when mmorpg.com rated this game as a 7.5 out of 10. 7.5 out of 10. I would think that since mmorpg.com and their community managers are so in-touch with the mainstream of what we should be spoon-fed, that Cryptic should be over-flowing with subscribers to STO, and very little needs changing.

Posted: Apr 5th 2010 11:42AM (Unverified) said

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well, a childish game construct a childish community. *shrug* Cryptic wantet thos kids as customers, now they have to suffer - i like that :)

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