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Posted: Apr 3rd 2010 11:53AM SgtBaker said

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I have to say I lol'ed pretty hard when I saw that. Still chuckling.
What could possibly go wrong?!!
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Posted: Apr 3rd 2010 11:19AM DarthCheese said

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One more reason why not to buy a game from Cryptic... ever. Yay!

Posted: Apr 3rd 2010 11:19AM (Unverified) said

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If I wasn't glad before that I never bought this or any other Cryptic game, I sure am now. They have no idea how to handle a game or its community. I feel sorry for the playerbase.

Posted: Apr 3rd 2010 11:27AM (Unverified) said

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The nerdrage is strong here. It's a fine line but they need to respect that the opinion leaders live in the forums. They also don't want to make the mistake the SOE did with SWG and actually listen to the masses, i.e "It's too hard to become a Jedi!"

Agree with the other posters that they should of gone with the EVE model, but even that has it's vocal critics (as you will see if EVE forum nerdrager Drew makes his presence felt here).

Posted: Apr 3rd 2010 11:28AM Renko said

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Cryptic are saying a lot now after the fact simply as damage limitation. It's just a pity they didn't think to say anything before hand.

Posted: Apr 3rd 2010 11:31AM Renko said

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grrrrr wrong place, meant to go after Loopy Garou's post above.

Posted: Apr 3rd 2010 11:33AM Its Utakata stupid said

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I can't help wonder that a dysfunctiona game, developed by a dysfunctional company attracts a dysfunctional playership.

Posted: Apr 3rd 2010 11:36AM (Unverified) said

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LMAO Cryptic sucks ... end of story.

A council of super heros couldnt save their game ::rimshot::. The problem is simple to me. There game lacks content and is overpriced. No amount of jury riggin content now will save their games. The best they can do is remove their cyrptic store and lower their game price to like 10 bucks a month. Their crappy games do not deserve our money as it stands.

And for all the people who say let em keep the store cause it doesnt effect game progress etc. I say their games are severly lacking in content. How dare they charge us for stuff that should be in the game we PURCHASED! Many many many MMOs add in free content if you pay a monthly sub.

Their company is hurting and I have to say good! Because hopefully others can learn from their poor buisness model and not repeat the same mistakes.

Posted: Apr 3rd 2010 11:53AM (Unverified) said

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Stupid. Select a particular few people with no player input on said selections and make sure each has a nice commercial site with ads. Yep, nothing wrong with that. Oh you say the players had no say on who got in? So what. Nothing big.

I would like to point to CCPs Council of Stellar Management they have in EVE Online. It is a council of players that give CCP very good feedback. The main differences?

A) They are nominated, and then elected by the players.
B) It wasn't just jumped upon the community and half-baked.
C) They are not known by "USS Shut Up" or "USS TrekMovie.com", rather they are referred to by first and last name.
D) They don't any commercialization from it. Unlike STOs nice little links to the sites.
E) They are flown to Iceland to talk with the dev team.
F) They are treated like what they are. The ambassadors to the players. Not the devs little pets.

Now, I own a collector's edition of STO that I pre-order. I did play, but quit for a bit due to the lack of content. If this whole "We like these players more than you and will advertise they little fan sites and then take more of their in than yours" thing continues, they can scratch me coming back to STO or any other Cryptic game. I've stood up for them before when it came to the lack of content on Champions (bought that one for 50 bucks on release day) and STO (80 bucks) and how they'll improve. I can't stick up for this move.

Posted: Apr 3rd 2010 11:59AM SgtBaker said

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Well - yeah if you swallow the CCP propaganda without questioning...

In reality the CSM are worthless forum warriors constantly ignored by CCP.
CCP gets nice PR propaganda and press-releases out of the whole thing and they just have to fly couple of star-struck nerds to Iceland for the troubles...

The CSM is half-baked - and it doesn't work very well (at all).
The "issues" they bring up get constantly cut out and downprioritized - they haven't actually achieved to bring anything that already wasn't on CCP's fix list to the game.

Utter and total waste of time.

Having said that - the STO thing sounds like a even worse trainwreck.
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Posted: Apr 3rd 2010 12:25PM (Unverified) said

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It's definitely not perfect, but sure does beat Cryptic's little move. I never did do much research on the CSM, I always had trusted CCP with their word. At least it's not just a big ad for a couple of players :P
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Posted: Apr 3rd 2010 12:31PM SgtBaker said

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Oh fully agree with those points.
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Posted: Apr 3rd 2010 12:13PM Sean D said

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I wonder at the general age differences/maturity levels of those people playing EVE vs. those play STO.

Is the problem with Cryptic's implementation of the council idea? Or is it with the people who knee-jerk react, always toward the side of the antagonist, and refuse to see the possible benefit of such a council? Instead of bitching about it, why not offer some suggestions on how to improve the concept (preferably in a logical and respectful manner - without all the "I am l33t" speech)?

I wonder also about how the first post on a given forum topic can set the tone for the entire thread. How hard is it to say, "This could be a good idea if..." rather than, "This sucks!" Easier to destroy than create, I guess...

I'm disappointed even though I don't play the game. The quality of the STO community at large is enough to keep me from giving it shot and diminishes the overall MMO community as well.

Posted: Apr 3rd 2010 1:00PM (Unverified) said

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With the Star Trek IP, I'm pretty sure that Cryptic originally had plenty of mature players. The thing is, the mature players left very maturely (silently)- chalked it up to an $80 loss and moved on. Now all they have left is a bunch of raving children and guys worried more about selling adwords via podcasts than the game.
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Posted: Apr 3rd 2010 12:16PM (Unverified) said

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Why is the council not voted by the members of STO on a bimonthly basis IN GAME?

Just like CCP on EVE does it...

That way no one can say some people are being favored and if someone does not do a good job directing peoples concerns of the game to the devs then the next election they loose their spot on the council.

Posted: Apr 3rd 2010 12:56PM (Unverified) said

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While Cryptic continues to fumble the ball on STO and it burns even more from problems since launch. In Millennium City things are looking pretty good, and upbeat.

Posted: Apr 3rd 2010 1:03PM (Unverified) said

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People, people! Calm down! I'll let you in on a little secret.... it's april, Cryptic has been working on the biggest, most bad ass april fools joke EVAR! for years! and you've all been had! buhahahaha


Seriously though, whenever a person or company in the media spotlight is getting hammered left and right for a period of time, at a certain point you start to feel sorry for them... I'm starting to feel sorry for cryptic now, they just can't help themselves apparently.

Posted: Apr 3rd 2010 2:30PM J Brad Hicks said

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I still like the game, but I'm getting close to having had it up to HERE with the majority of the players. I cannot think of anywhere else in the world I have run into so many whiny, self-important, self-entitled brats.

As soon as I glanced over the list of people who got picked for the Council, I could see at a glance what they are all doing there. They're all long-time Star Trek fans, they're all supporters of the game, and they're all people who work hard, in public ways, at their Star Trek fandom. Could Cryptic have found another dozen such people? Sure, but these are the ones they picked. And that's entirely their right.

It's not as if they're shutting down the forums, people. You want an entirely open forum where all 100,000 subscribers to the game can have a voice, you already have that. And given the insane rate at which Cryptic developers, reps, and moderators reply, to the tune of dozens of messages a day, you are obviously being listened to. But the thought that six or so people, chosen entirely on merit, were also chosen to give some input, drives you wild with envy? GET. OVER. YOURSELF.

Posted: Apr 3rd 2010 2:49PM Russell Clarke said

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I wish they would shut down the forums sometimes.
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Posted: Apr 3rd 2010 3:45PM Ayenn said

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Brad, your assessment of the average vocal player is spot on. I really enjoy the game but many of the players drive me bonkers! At this point I'm glad I have no interest in ToR. These same people will go over to that MMORPG when it is launched and lambaste it. I won't have to deal with them over there.

The worst part of this whole debacle is the people who are raging against it are making assumptions and ignoring what Ivan_Cryptic says. In addition to that, there is a whole lot of "word twisting" going on in that official thread by the players. further more, all of the subsequent threads started are all soap boxes built with paper. It looks like over reaction, especially on the forums, is the only reaction a vocal minority is capable of.

I see this reaction as a serious problem for the MMORPG genre. If these people keep traveling from game to game inflating and convoluting every game will have trouble... Oh, wait, thats already happening.
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