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Posted: Apr 3rd 2010 10:16AM (Unverified) said

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people will moan and whine if they think someone else is more liked or favored over them.

truth be told, cryptik, forum posters SHOULD NOT make game design choices.

its nice to read forums and want input but either read the forums or don't, don't make MORE work for yourself by trying to manage an exclusive sub-community YOU created.

lots of game devs read their forums without needing such a mechanic, balls up and make your own forums a firefox tab and get with the times.

Posted: Apr 3rd 2010 3:08PM (Unverified) said

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Cryptic just doesn't know what it's doing. I have no idea how they got hold of an IP like Star Trek; they most certainly don't deserve it. I guess the game industry in general is just a complete train wreck.
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Posted: Apr 3rd 2010 6:31PM Eamil said

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The thing is, they're not the ones making game design choices. They get input, but like EVE Online's CSM, they don't get to tell the devs "do this" and the devs have to obey. It just doesn't work like that.

They would have done better to emulate the CSM in this and have the players elect their own representatives to the devs. That probably would've prevented most of the outrage.
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Posted: Apr 3rd 2010 10:17AM MikeBIndy said

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What a Perfect Storm of nerdocity. All I see in that thread is a lot of butt-hurt Comic Book Guys who wake up with a hand on the mousepad and their chin-beard resting in a bowl of soggy Cap'n Crunch.

Cryptic is practicing what is basically due diligence these days by extending to its community various outlets for feedback; a community manager working with bloggers, a forum and now a user council. Of course everyone who wasn't invited to the party is going to stand around outside the door and complain about a) what a rotten, worthless party it is and b) why it is imperative that they be let in.

If they are sharp about it, the CM and council will glean this and the inevitable threadstorm for usable suggestions. Some of the commenters who display the lack of restraint and immaturity that precluded them from being right for the council in the first place will still contribute, whether they realize it or not, by weighting key issues with their numbers. Too bad they can't line up and be good constituents from the start.

Posted: Apr 3rd 2010 10:24AM (Unverified) said

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Point taken, but imagine you show up at a club, pay your $15, and don't get in?

I'd be pissed too.
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Posted: Apr 3rd 2010 10:27AM (Unverified) said

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Actually, I think the 'council' is just as bad.
Here's a post from 'Jeremy' (one of the council members) on his own 'STOked' site forums:

"This is a pretty big deal for STOked. Please show your support of our nomination in public, to quell the haters. "

..erm, nice one?
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Posted: Apr 3rd 2010 10:30AM GaaaaaH said

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So kdolo, it's a right not a privilege now?
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Posted: Apr 3rd 2010 11:12AM Wulf said

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"So kdolo, it's a right not a privilege now?"

@GaaaaaH:

Obviously you're not familiar with today's youth (...and unfortunately, a lot of the not-so-youth).

Entitlement is the name of the game... ...and the more you don't work for it, the more entitled you are because you were told everything would be handed to you. As it hasn't, the world is beholden to you.
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Posted: Apr 3rd 2010 10:23AM (Unverified) said

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U.S.S. Sakura Park

Posted: Apr 3rd 2010 12:36PM AyAitch said

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I hate your Sakura Park comments so much. So very much. So much so that I've begun to not read comments to avoid them. They are juvenile and stupid. You are the only person in all of the internet to still care about something that wasn't even a that big a deal to begin with.

I am very truly sorry that your name for the park wasn't chosen, because I and other intelligent people have had to deal with your nerd rage for months now.
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Posted: Apr 8th 2010 9:33AM (Unverified) said

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Don't worry too much Kdolo, I wasn't around for the whole Sakura Park thing so I still giggle. With a touch of insanity, mind you *twitch*
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Posted: Apr 8th 2010 10:45AM (Unverified) said

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See, the whole Sakura Park thing is about a company ignoring the community, much like this whole advisory council thing is. It was never about my park name submission, i knew it was lame.

Since not much has changed, I see no reason to stop posting Sakura Park when they do things like this over and over and over again.
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Posted: Apr 3rd 2010 10:25AM Verus said

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The basic idea is a good one and used to good effect in Eve Online. But the implementation of it is done in an atrocious way. You donĀ“t just randomly pick a few fanboys with podcasts, blogs and so on but let star trek online players vote for who they want on that council.

Posted: Apr 3rd 2010 10:53AM Renko said

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It's a shame really as the idea is a good one but the smallest amount of consultation with the community BEFORE announcing the council could have helped things along greatly.
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Posted: Apr 3rd 2010 11:09AM ravenstorm said

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From what Cyptic has said about this, their main intention is to find more ways to solicit feedback from people who don't use the forums. I can understand that. Forum communities like to think they ARE the entire game community, but they actually tend to be a vocal minority. There are so many players in every game who just avoid the forums for one reason or another. So letting the forum community pick people for the Council would kinda defeat the purpose. The Council isn't designed to speak for people posting on the forums - those folks are already using a venue for communication with the devs, namely the forums.

Cryptic has also said they're very open to adding more Council members, and they've encouraged anyone who wants to participate to apply, though I don't think they've said anything about criteria.

Whether any of this will actually work or not is another question, of course, but it does seem to me like the forum folks are overreacting a bit (big surprise there).
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Posted: Apr 3rd 2010 10:27AM (Unverified) said

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I haven't been following the situation.. But I wander why they just didn't do like Eve Online does. All the community to elect a select number of members (via campaigning and voting) to be on the council.

Just from the news clip it sounds like Cryptic just picked a select number of people at random or some strange setup and did not allow any of the community to have an involvement in the process.

If that is indeed the case then Shame on Cryptic! Who is to say that these randomly selected people even have the same goals for the game that the community would like to see.

Atleast in Eve Online the selected members are selected by the community and they have to put togeather an election / campaign in order to showcase what there goals are and such. That way you know who you are voting for and what they are going to try / attempt to accomplish.

This just seems like another half thought up idea from Cryptic. Seems to be there normal these days.

Posted: Apr 3rd 2010 1:39PM (Unverified) said

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"But I wander why they just didn't do like Eve Online does. All the community to elect a select number of members (via campaigning and voting) to be on the council."

Only a tiny minority of EVE players vote, as most players regard the CSM as a complete joke, a waste of time and something that should not exist.
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Posted: Apr 3rd 2010 10:42AM (Unverified) said

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So I just took the time to visit each one of there websites and I must say WTF!

Only afew of the websites even look like the people play STO and what is with that girls website? She has the F word pasted all over the place. F this and F that.. Is that really the type of person Cryptic wants to get input from for STO?

Now I will admit that I do not know the person but simply from looking at the website if she acted anything like that I would have booted her out of my PUG group right off the bat.

You have one member that sells StarTrek goods and the website doesn't even mention anything about actually actively playing the game. Heck it doesn't even looks like a gamers website really.

You have another member that has a website that deals with StarTrek movies with a single post on the game.

Outside of maybe future story content what could any of these people provide to the STO game as far as gameplay issues goes. Just from the websites most of them look like they are people that would play the game for a month or two and then leave. They look like they have no more interest in the game other then that its a StarTrek game.

Come on are the people at Cryptic really this clueless?

Posted: Apr 3rd 2010 8:56PM (Unverified) said

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oh noes swearing
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Posted: Apr 3rd 2010 11:05AM (Unverified) said

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"consisting of vocal fans that they can use as a barometer of current opinion and compressing the most urgent issues"

Vocal fans. From the forums.

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If the game wasn't doomed before, it's doomed now.

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