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Posted: Apr 2nd 2010 11:07AM Joshua Przygocki said

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WOW. Didn't think I'd be reading this on Massively...

Well I am unsure about the whole issue.

Little kids should be in game like Free Realms or others suited for them, and Bioware has a history of allowing romance in their games, as long as it's not to present in public areas of the game I'm fine with it.

I really don't wanna see Club Caprice from CO show up in this game...

Posted: Apr 2nd 2010 11:10AM Morioch said

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What if none of the companion characters are gay or bisexual? Just because the player wants to do'em doesn't mean the companion character would want to reciprocate. Maybe midichlorians removed the gay gene from galactic population!

Posted: Apr 2nd 2010 11:18AM (Unverified) said

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And what if some of the companion characters are gay or bisexual? Maybe midichloriens made the galactic population less intolerant.
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Posted: Apr 2nd 2010 11:13AM Randomessa said

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... oh dear. LOL I'm afraid to come back and look at the comments on this.

Posted: Apr 2nd 2010 11:17AM (Unverified) said

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I'm go, so naturally I think that there should be same-sex romances. If someone is so sensitive to homosexuality that they cannot abide it's existence in an MMO, then they probably shouldn't be online in the first place... There are plenty of things that actually are immoral on the internet.

Posted: Apr 2nd 2010 12:33PM (Unverified) said

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For me (a female Elf mage) I found Leliana really pushy in terms of her romantic desires.

I totally understand that 'line of dialogue' you mention, CindyL, where there's normally an obvious tipping point that allows you to escape any unwanted affections, but I honestly felt like I was being harassed by Leliana.

So much, in fact, that I spoke to a few friends about it specifically, in order to compare it to their own gameplay experiences.

I actually ended up just thinking it was of a deliberate design by Bioware, whereby every time I logged in to play I felt uncomfortable if Leliana was around. If a story/dialogue event began I would get that whole 'oh gawd here we go' feeling.. I just assumed they were injecting some 'real-life awkwardness' into the game.
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Posted: Apr 2nd 2010 12:35PM (Unverified) said

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..wow that was weird.
This was meant to be a reply in the 'MacAllen said on 11:24AM 4-02-2010' thread, @CindyL.
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Posted: Apr 3rd 2010 12:45AM NeverDeath said

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While I don't think homosexuality is immoral, there are millions of Christian and Catholic hypocrites world-round who would disagree with me.

My point is that morality is largely subjective; The single basic human right that we all have is the right not to be physically harmed by another human being. Everything else is gray area.

Just thought I'd throw out some food for thought. Most of the PC crowd doesn't really like to use their thought process unless to access the creative cortex of the brain to make up some ad hominem crap to insult a person who disagrees with them - so I figure at the very least, this "food for thought" might cause one of them to trip and die, saving the world from their ignorance. Come onnn papa needs me some natural selection!
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Posted: Apr 2nd 2010 11:24AM macallen said

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I find the entire topic offensive. Who bloody cares what I do in my game, with my NPC's or otherwise? The very idea that someone would be upset at something I *CAN* do in my game, even if they can't see it or exposed to it, is the most imbecilic thing I can imagine.

What about the kids? There's this thing, it's really cool, it's called PARENTING. I have 3 kids, I know what they play and how they play it, and often play it with them. I know I'm rare and odd in this, not letting the TV raise my kids, but I'm a rebel. And if my kids wanted to explore that, why would it matter?

The NPC's are not (and never have) propositioning me. They're not suddenly whipping out genitals and saying "how about it, Shephard?" It's an option to pursue. Meanwhile, kids on ChatRoulette are getting unwanted anatomy lessons every 3 seconds when all the way to do is chat with people.

The fact that this is any drama at all on forums just shows how stupid forum posters are. Jesus, get a life, people, stop worrying about what other people are doing with theirs. Raise your kids, stop letting video games do it and making the govt and courts responsible for what your kids say and do.

Posted: Apr 2nd 2010 11:27AM (Unverified) said

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Parents raising their kids? What a novel idea :D
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Posted: Apr 2nd 2010 11:29AM Thac0 said

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Totally agree!

I hope same sex romances are in because i always have female avatars and I hate to hit on male NPCs because I myself an a male and I just feel funny role playing that way although i don't mind being a lesbian :)

I actually had to make a Male Shepard in ME2 just so i could romance which us unusual for me.
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Posted: Apr 2nd 2010 11:34AM (Unverified) said

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I disagree with you on something - the NPCs DO proposition you in BioWare games. The gay elf in Dragon Age was TOTALLY coming on to me. In Mass Effect it's much less obvious, but I was feeling sexually harassed by that little elf dude.
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Posted: Apr 2nd 2010 12:21PM Cendres said

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@hjparcins

Zevran is bisexual and whatever gender you are I think he says he prefers that gender, so for me he says he prefers women and he will hit on EVERYONE in your party, Wynne's magical bosoms come to mind. :) Wynne points out he's not serious about these come ons it's a defense mechanism for him, a game he plays to keep himself emotionally apart.

If you romance him to the end you also find that even though at first he comes off as being seriously 'loose', he's one of the most loyal companions, if not the most loyal one. BioWare companions are written to be more then they appear and to me Zevran is the ultimate complex companion.

Also companions will only really hit on you if you lead them on, you have to watch your replies to them there's always a turning point from friendship to flirt mode and often people turn on flirt mode by 'accident'. Which I don't buy because it's obvious to me what the different dialogue options will do, but that's what they say.
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Posted: Apr 2nd 2010 11:26AM (Unverified) said

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I think this Bioware video sums it up nicely:
http://www.gametrailers.com/video/secret-romance-mass-effect/63941

=)

Posted: Apr 2nd 2010 11:32AM (Unverified) said

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I don't really see why they would add gay romances.

Extra dialogue means extra work. And for what? I don't think people are going to boycott this game because it DOESN'T have gay romance in it. If they do, the number will be incredibly small.

On the other hand, if it DOES have gay romances, I can see a larger amount of people not buying it for whatever reason. Individuals uncomfortable with homosexuality tend to be extremely principled. It might even get a more 'mature' rating due to the controversial nature of the inclusion, but I'm not really certain how homosexual romance factors into the rating system.

My basic argument is, from a business standpoint, it makes very little sense to include gay romances. More work, no real gain and, in fact, a likely loss (although minor) of client base. Not to mention negative publicity, as a game with a non-mature rating that includes gay romance options is bound to get certain groups up in arms.

Personally I don't care either way; but from a money-making angle, it really doesn't look profitable.

Posted: Apr 2nd 2010 11:38AM (Unverified) said

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Really though? The Sims has same-sex relationships and is rated T. It's also the highest selling PC gaming franchise in history.

Mass Effect, Dragon Age, and KotOR also all included gay/bi characters, to some extent. They also all sold very well, and were critically acclaimed.
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Posted: Apr 2nd 2010 11:43AM (Unverified) said

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and yet having homosexual possible romances has NEVER stopped any of their other games from selling Millions of Copies. I don't think having it in will hurt their sales at all. If people don't like it you knwo they can just simply not take part in that part of the game. Personally I'll be to busy being a bad ass smuggler to worry about hitting on my sidekick.

Dragon Age Origins yes...they had a character that forced that on you in a sense but it was a Matured rated game. Seeing as SWTOR is likely going to be a Teen Rated game you'll more than likely have to be the one to initiate that sort of topic.

I dont think they need a button to turn off homosexuallity. Infact if they do a button it should be generic and shut off ALL romance options period and not target a particular audience.

The players bitching for an anti gay button they'll buy the game bitch and still play no matter what.
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Posted: Apr 2nd 2010 11:50AM (Unverified) said

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@ derella

First, I don't think I need to point you to the trainwreck that was The Sims Online. That game is more analogous.

Also, this is Star Wars we're talking about here. The Sims is made for an ENTIRELY different audience; we're talking a MMO Sci Fi legend with epic storytelling and die-hard fans vs. virtual interior designer, homemaker and social escapism with purely computerized interactions.

Really, the more examine it, I think a gay option for The Sims may have been a GOOD business decision. You have to consider your audience. It just doesn't make sense in a Star Wars RPG trying to make record sales. A homosexual romance is going to be negative publicity, like it or not.
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Posted: Apr 2nd 2010 12:06PM (Unverified) said

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Which does nothing to refute his point. For all we know those games might have sold even more copies if they hadn't included those options, while it seems rather unlikely that they'd have sold less. Also Mass Effect and Dragon Age were both rated M, and KotOR while rated T, only had a female-female option, no male-male.

I could care less whether they include gay romances or not, it doesn't effect me in the slightest. However, I won't be surprised if Bioware chooses not to. Why?

First, rating -- Bioware will almost certainly be required by their publisher to keep the rating no higher than T. Sure, the Sims is T but the Sims is not a violent game. Having both might tip the balance. Or it might not. There's no way to know, and Bioware's publisher might refuse to risk it.

Second, media/public attention -- there's a big difference between what a player does in a single player game and what a player does in a persistent online massively multiplayer game. Whether we think it's reasonable or not, there WILL be people upset at the idea of "gay" people running around in openly gay in-game relationships interacting with their kids. Again, the publisher is unlikely to risk lost sales, subscriptions, and bad press, when including gay romances is not likely to cause people to subscribe. WoW doesn't have anything like that and it does just fine, so why rock the boat?

You have to keep in mind that yes, Mass Effect and Dragon Age both did quite well despite including gay romances, but those games were rated M already due to the heavy violence, so the parent/child gaming market was already a non-issue. Essentially, in those games they had little reason NOT to include it. In SW:TOR they do.

We may be surprised, they may do it anyway, but for a game with a goal of 2 million subscriptions I wouldn't expect it. It all comes down to money in the end after all. If adding gay romances would cost them more subs than leaving it out, they won't do it, and I think that a country with people capable of making gay marriage ILLEGAL is too intolerant for it to be otherwise.
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Posted: Apr 2nd 2010 12:11PM (Unverified) said

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"I could care less whether they include gay romances or not.."

And I don't care if you're gay, straight, purple, black or a midget, PeterD; but the phrase is "I *couldn't * care less.."
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