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Posted: Mar 28th 2010 7:22PM Joshua Przygocki said

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Another great article once again making me want to pick up EVE.

Posted: Mar 28th 2010 7:32PM DrewIW said

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EVE has a 14 day trial available here http://trial.eveonline.com/en/freetrial.aspx?aid=104104&bid=1

21 day trials are also available through their referral program. Shoot me an email at c.lucinus AT gmail.com if you'd be interested.

There's also a deal right now, with new accounts going for $9.95

Plenty of ways to give it a try if you're interested :)
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Posted: Mar 28th 2010 9:37PM Joshua Przygocki said

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@DrewIW
Already have an account, should have said "pick up eve again." sorry lol.
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Posted: Mar 28th 2010 9:00PM vatrak said

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I suggest anybody that really want a 21 days trial to either get the trial on steam, or ask that DrewIW guy 280 million ISK (the amount that a 1month game card is worth in-game, which is called a PLEX) for making you his referal, since he get 1 month of free game time, which he failed to mention...eh

Posted: Mar 28th 2010 9:18PM DrewIW said

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The steam trial seems to be only 14 days.

The EVE referral program is like every other MMO referral program. You must be profoundly bitter or stupid to think that you're entitled to ISK.
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Posted: Mar 28th 2010 10:01PM GaaaaaH said

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The common deal is anywhere from 100-200mil isk for a sub within the 14 days.

Of course, this being eve, it is possible to just not send it.
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Posted: Mar 28th 2010 10:34PM DrewIW said

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If you absolutely don't trust me, you can use this thread
http://forums.steampowered.com/forums/showthread.php?t=1045863

Steam users have organized their own give aways of 21 day trials. These are the same trials that I'm offering, so feel free to pester those people for ISK as well.
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Posted: Mar 29th 2010 7:16AM Benicio said

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Dont mind them Drew, they're just bitter they dont have your initiative.
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Posted: Mar 29th 2010 10:58AM Critical Mass said

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"Healing" in Eve? I'm glad I quit. There was only so much I could take by the watering down of the essensials of Eve online.

And Eve is not a strictly called a game strangely enough. CCP doesn't shy away from calling it a service. I wanted to play games that are games, with whatever that can be said to be associated with that, and not a waste-of-time-hobby.

Remember kids. When things are a service or a boon, you cannot really complain about it, nor be thought of having any expectations at all.

And when you quit Eve, CCP doesn't offer a way for you to comment on why you quit either afaik. I believe they have pre-made answers ready for you.

Posted: Mar 29th 2010 8:25PM (Unverified) said

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Really enjoyed this guide. I've always been intrigued by Logistics since I started playing Eve and this definitely rekindled that fire. Wish there was more of a place for a Logistics ship in general, hi-sec, PVE. Duoing level 4's is hardly necessary if you've played for any decent amount of time, and the jump from 4's to 5's is too large for less than three people to handle from what I've heard. Guess I'll just get my Basilisk and spin it in station 'til someone needs me...

Posted: Mar 29th 2010 9:21PM Brendan Drain said

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We've done level 5 missions with two pilots before, one being a command ship and the other a logistics cruiser repairing him. It was quite slow though, it'd be much better with additional people dealing damage. The other issue is that since all Level 5 agents are in low security space, most of the missions are there. That puts you at risk of being scanned down by pirates.
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Posted: Mar 30th 2010 12:54PM (Unverified) said

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So that this wont turn into pure author bashing: Nice article - its very long.

But... Oneiros the preferred logistics cruiser? Most PVP gangs armor tanked? Do you play the game Sir?

Posted: Mar 30th 2010 7:48PM Brendan Drain said

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I've been playing for over six years and been involved in countless PvP ops. I've been in soverignty warfare, roaming nullsec gangs, capital fleets, POS takedowns, empire wars, stealth bomber gangs, capital takedowns, faction warfare fleets and probably more. When I made the above assertions, I was absolutely, categorically correct.

In most PvP gangs, people tend to use armour buffer tanks for two main reasons. The first and most crucial reason is that mid slots are much too valuable to be wasted on shield modules. They can be used for microwardrives, warp disruptors, stasis webs, electronic warfare modules, sensor boosters and other modules that are essential PvP. If you're in a slow ship without a microwarpdrive, you can't hit the return gate if your FC calls for a double-back. Sensor boosters are usually considered a requirement on battleships so you can lock the primary target before he's dead. And any close range ship should ideally have a warp disruptor so that no enemy can warp out under fire.

The second reason is that since active tanking becomes a lot less feasible when there are more than 5-6 enemies shooting you, people instead fit a buffer tank with as many effective hitpoints as possible. With more than 5-6 enemies focusing fire, a good buffer will actually keep you alive longer than an active tank. 1600mm plates simply give more hitpoints than large shield extenders. With the notable exception of the Drake and Nighthawk, most ships get much more effective hitpoints from an armour buffer than a shield buffer. This is especially true when considering that 2-3 mid slots are usually reserved on any PvP ship for a microwarpdrive, warp disruptor and sometimes stasis web. Even PvP Drakes will sacrifice 2-3 mid slots for that.

As a consequence of people tending to armour tank in PvP, the Oneiros and Guardian (the two logistics ships with bonuses to remote armour repairers) are the most popular choices for logistics ships used in PvP. The Guardian in particular is preferred over the Oneiros because due to the capacitor transfer bonus, you can pair Guardians together and generate capacitor without wasting mid and low slots on cap rechargers and relays. That frees up the lows for an armour buffer and the mids for ECCM, making a pair of Guardians awesome in PvP. They do tend to be called primary but clever use of logistics can seriously turn a battle around. I was once in a fleet fight with Veto when they were using two sets of twinned guardians and it was highly effective.

Don't take my word for it, though. You can find the same information out by asking experienced PvP pilots in-game, posting your question on the forums or googling for articles on the issue. Or you could run down all the kills on eve-kill.net and notice that almost all of the ships there are armour tanked. Almost every caldari ship killed bigger than a destroyer is a Drake (most PvP fit with a shield buffer) or a Scorpion (most armour buffer tanked). You'll even find nullsec PvP gangs tend to fit their Ravens with armour plates, hardeners and trimarks rather than a shield tank.
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Posted: Mar 31st 2010 5:03PM (Unverified) said

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Heres my experience:

The Oneiros is without doubt the least liked logistic in Eve. This is for a number of reasons. Yes i know that some ppl, CH(alliance) come to my mind, have been experimenting with cruiser sized armor gangs with Oneiros support, but this is far from the general trend.

The one you see the most, and have been for a long time is the Scimi. Scimis are both used with the different kind of HAC gangs and the BC gangs that seem to have replaced alot of the shortrange HACs and RR BS gangs... with good reason.

Due to the increasing popularity of shield-tanked BC blobs instead of BS blobs, you see more and more experimenting with basilisk used in the same way as guardians.

If you run into a RR BS gang theyll most likely be supported by some guardians. But you don't see nearly as many BS gangs today as you did a couple of years ago.

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