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Posted: Mar 26th 2010 8:35PM (Unverified) said

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Nope...will NEVER play any of Cryptic games since they have cash shop on top of monthly fee. Cryptic needs to learn how to budget and save.

Posted: Mar 26th 2010 8:55PM BIZKeT said

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I am so tired of hearing this complaint over and over and over again. As they have shown with the C-Store in Champions Online, anything that has a game play mechanic is available *IN THE GAME*. All the C-Store does is give those that are impatient another avenue to get this content. You get free respecs in STO, but if for some reason you want another one, they give you the opportunity to get one with money. Don't want to spend cash? Then just wait and use the next one you get for FREE in game.

Personally, I feel this is one of the best ideas to come to MMO's. Having followed MMO's from both side of the fence (I have worked in the game industry on and off for years now as a contractor) this gives players, especially casual players, an opportunity to get the same benefits that the more hardcore players get for playing more often.

Now can you people come up with a gripe that actually makes sense?
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Posted: Mar 26th 2010 9:08PM Joshua Przygocki said

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No SOE games either?

Blizz even started letting you get some fluff from a "cash shop" thing for a while(not sure if they still are).

What about GW? Extra character slots, easier skill unlocks?

Dude, you're an idiot if you think a fluff store in a p2p is a bad idea, it just lets you get a few extra things if you want them, you can play the game 100% without it.
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Posted: Mar 27th 2010 12:52AM Samael said

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Although I agree that this cash store and sub is a thing of the future and we will continue to see more of it in more and more games, I do have a certain bone to pick with Cryptic. Not for STO, but for CO. For all other companies and all other games, well other than CoX maybe, they can add all the fluff that they want to the cash store without affecting game play at all, and it is all fine and dandy. BTW Guild Wars can do whatever they want to because they do not charge a monthly fee.

See those fluff items you guys mention is an integral part of CO. Why? Because in-part super heroes are defined by their costumes. The character customization is huge huge part of the game. That is why I do believe that for CO costume parts or fluff is part of the gameplay.

Most of you will disagree, but that is how I see it.
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Posted: Mar 27th 2010 1:47AM Tizmah said

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I firmly believe if something is available in game and in store, then theere should be a difference between the two. Such as in the description, it should say, "store purchased" or "Earned" :)

Otherwise, the earning is insignificant.

Kinda like Pacman..you could get the high score on the cabinent with skill. Untill some rich douche comes along and plows quarter after quarter into it to beat you. Not very truthful :)
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Posted: Mar 27th 2010 11:22AM dudemanjac said

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Plowing quarters into it doesn't mean he didn't put the work in. It just took him longer than you.
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Posted: Mar 26th 2010 8:51PM (Unverified) said

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Ok, better cancel your dish or cable bill too... Cause they have PPV on top of a monthly fee... Sheesh, some peoples children.

Posted: Mar 26th 2010 9:22PM (Unverified) said

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Even if it's just fluff, you run the risk of losing-out on fluff as a subscriber. One day you realize that the only way to get any fluff is by paying extra. Maybe some people still don't care, but as far as I'm concerned, I'd rather just have a subscription cover everything (account services being an exception here). If that means paying $18/month or even $20/month, so be it. Inflation happens. If the game deserves the money, I'll pay it, but I'm not about to support a system that walks that fine line between providing neat extras and nickel/diming me for everything but the bare essentials.

Posted: Mar 26th 2010 10:11PM Eamil said

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Cryptic just added a bunch of new free costume pieces to Champions, and they let you get plenty of action figures in-game, so I think the point about "no new fluff except through the paid store" is pretty much null there.

Can't really say the same for STO, since the C-store didn't even have anything in it aside from the 2 playable races up until now and as far as I know they haven't added any new costume pieces aside from the off-duty uniforms. But it's still pretty early.
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Posted: Mar 26th 2010 10:29PM (Unverified) said

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I love how Cryptic calls these additions "Free Content" hahaha you are paying a monthly fee for what again? They even have unique races that you can only get in the cash shop, so I hear. It's simple really, just charge a FLAT FEE and be done with it. IF you want some add ons i.e. like how WoW does it then that's fine since it's more character transfers etc.



Posted: Mar 27th 2010 4:06PM wjowski said

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Moron. There's really no other word for it.
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Posted: Mar 27th 2010 8:59PM starka1 said

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I prefer "content included with your monthly subscription fee" as opposed to "free". You are probably correct that there is no other [single] word for it, but we can use more than one.
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Posted: Mar 26th 2010 10:31PM Killerham said

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Whats with all the pro-cash shop talk? Nickel and diming people for stuff after they have purchased the game AND pay a monthly fee is wrong. End of story.

I will never play a game where I have to pay for extra in game stuff WHILE paying a subscribtion fee.

I am also guessing once you have used up your final free respec you wont get anymore until you pay?

Posted: Mar 26th 2010 11:22PM Eamil said

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You can get in-game respecs using Starfleet merits. But 4-5 (I forget exactly) free respecs over the course of leveling from 1 to 45 isn't that bad at all.
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Posted: Mar 27th 2010 10:37AM (Unverified) said

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So you don't play any MMO's then? Making your grind out gold you wouldn't otherwise grind out is pretty similar to making you pay cash for it. Back in the day WoW's respecs weren't trivial, people bought gold because they could either go to work or farm gold for raid consumables. Now days they are but Blizzard only "fixed" that by allowing you to make a lot of gold in a short timer period every day. But that isn't out of the goodness of their hearts, that is so you keep logging in and stay hooked.

Now that I am at university for the second time (and taking it seriously this time) I don't feel I get good value from monthly subscription MMO's. And I certainly don't want to be hoping on everyday to "just run some dailies" (which in reality results in a few hours of playing for me).

Not that I am defending Cryptic. I wouldn't go back to STO in anything less than a year. The levelling content was fun but the PVP was pointless (ie you die and are back in the action 10 seconds later, less consequence than a WoW BG) and the "endgame" was trivial and akin to running daily dungeons in WoW.
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Posted: Mar 26th 2010 11:59PM Wisdomandlore said

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This sounds like the kind of features other games bring out early in beta.

Posted: Mar 27th 2010 3:25AM Averice said

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Letting players buy content or items or things they don't feel like spending the time to get in game, from cash stores is no different from players buying gold from farmers. If you're going to say you allow one, you might as well allow the other, because you just removed any and all sense of commitment.

Oh I'm sorry, that's right, you can commit yourself with more and more money. Real MMO's don't detract from their universe by having cash shops that let you buy your way through content. You'd rather pay money than play the game you're already paying for? Why are you playing in the first place then, hell give your money to charity.

Posted: Mar 27th 2010 7:58AM (Unverified) said

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So, it's okay for WoW to have character transfer while disregarding the fact that you can make a new toon on that other server and level your way up to the same level with the same equipment anyways?

Respec are priced a lot because you're basically making a new character when it comes to Champions Online. They're worth 1000 Cryptic points which amounts to $12.50. With Star Trek Online, it's a lot less, 400 Cryptic points since you can't change your character class. Blizzard's character transfer is $25. Both Cryptic games have 1 server with different instance only. So money wise, at worst Cryptic is half the cost of what Blizzard is charging.

The other stuff are decoration items, like the Blizzard pets. So, $10 bucks versus $1 for a Champions Online pet? Costume pieces? Like what Doctor Adorah said, they offer NO ADVANTAGE.

Not even a debate here. If people are going to complain about Cryptic store, it is only fair they complain about Blizzard's offering as well.

Anyone else complaining... you don't buy a movie ticket and expect a popcorn and soda. You still can enjoy the movie without the popcorn and soda. Really, you can.
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Posted: Mar 27th 2010 5:06AM touch said

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Call me cautiously receptive on this one.

Posted: Mar 27th 2010 8:49AM (Unverified) said

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monthly fee + cash shop = Fail

Also just look at the reviews these two games are getting, especially STO, they are horrible. Yes let's lower the price to $20 bucks for STO, so soon? Face it folks Cryptic is in a downward spiral and they have to use gimmicks like the Cash Shops to even stay above water.

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