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Posted: Mar 22nd 2010 5:47PM (Unverified) said

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And yet time and time again in movies, books, games, and other expanded universe settings the sith are shown to be cruel and merciless not only to their enemies and those uninvolved, but even more so to their own kind. It's hard to paint shades of gray when a race of people don't even value their own kind.

Posted: Mar 22nd 2010 3:14PM (Unverified) said

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Truthfully I hadn't thought about it like that. Typically it's pretty cut-and-dry: Jedi/Republic=good, Sith/Empire=bad.

However, I could see a young member of the Sith Empire growing up fearing the over-zealous Jedi (Spanish Inquistion, anyone?) and the Republic, and eventually becoming soldier or even Sith Warrior/Inquisitor to fight those they've viewed as their oppressors. Sometimes individuals have to make the morally-gray choices to protect what they love. Still, unless they give the Sith player's gray choices in their storylines, the will probably still be the bad guys they have been continually painted as.

Posted: Mar 22nd 2010 3:17PM Seare said

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Bioware has stated that you can be a good person in the Empire or an evil person in the Republic. Your choice of faction does not force you to be good or evil. Its your choice.
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Posted: Mar 22nd 2010 3:14PM Seare said

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Evil people rarely see themselves as evil. Rationalization is the enemy of ethics/morality.

Posted: Mar 22nd 2010 3:24PM rhorle said

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It is hardly a matter of rationalization. It is just two different belief structures clashing. Bot the Jedi and the sith have done moraly questionable acts, and both have done moral acts.

The force is not good or evil, sith or Jedi. It is all the same force. It is the teachings around it that differ. A sith and Jedi can and do accomplish the same thing but with different goals. Jedi might try to save a planet, where sith understands that the planet needs to be sacrificed. The movies do not do sith and Jedi justice and many people just see it at the classic good/evil.

The books really paint a different picture, and the more recent ones with cadeus show how the sith path can be more then just evil, but is also easier to become evil.
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Posted: Mar 22nd 2010 3:31PM Seare said

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Oh I've read all the books. Yes, both Jedi and Sith have committed good and evil acts and they all rationalize their behavior. Darth Cadeus (aka Jason Solo) rationalized becoming a Sith because he believed it was the only way to bring peace to the Galaxy and save his daughter.
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Posted: Mar 22nd 2010 5:19PM Lateris said

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Clearly this is the truth among the leaders who perform genocide everyday in the real world and not the virtual as it is occurring in Nigeria right now. Look at it in this form; Men and woman are putting bombs on their bodies and blowing themselves up every other day on earth murdering children in this process. In their eyes they are the morality and for their actions they will gain their own country under the guise of the United Nations which to me resembles the senate of the old republic. Twisted and corrupt from profit. There is a huge difference between a pretend Universe and a real Universe. Murder is murder even under the guise of morality or a cause no matter how sugar coated it is under the guise of media and politics. The Sith were murders in the Star Wars lore. And so were the Jedi for the genocide. But what we don't know is how far the Sith have gone to drive the Jedi to this action.
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Posted: Mar 22nd 2010 3:17PM (Unverified) said

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I think this logic is flawed. It appears to be based on the assumption that if one were raised as a "Sith", that one would also have (or even be aware of) the same moral standing and views of a "non-Sith".

I am admittedly not well versed in the lore and events that occur outside the films and a few comics, but Sith hardly ever seemed to be given a "well-rounded" upbringing or teachings.

Aside from all of that, do we really need to shine the light of political correctness on the Sith v. Jedi? I personally prefer the high-fantasy ideals of Sith being agents of pure chaos and Jedi being the beacons of light.

Posted: Mar 22nd 2010 3:22PM Wisdomandlore said

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The Sith, at least in the expanded universe, simply believe in order through Totalitarian rule. Not every Sith is a sadistic murderer, or even a power-hungry madman like Palpatine. They believe that by imposing absolute order on society you can make the galaxy peaceful.

Posted: Mar 22nd 2010 3:24PM (Unverified) said

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Well that doesn't make the Sith less evil. Plenty of dictators and nation-states try to do the same thing (Soviet Russia, South America, Rome the Empire vs. Rome the Republic, etc.) and it always ends with corrupt power and the destruction of freedom. Liberty and Personal Responsibility are the ideals that lead toward a successful society.
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Posted: Mar 22nd 2010 3:33PM Thac0 said

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And don't forget the USA, Cadet SF
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Posted: Mar 24th 2010 12:09AM (Unverified) said

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THAC0 I didn't forget the USA, the USA isn't an empire. You can look at the historical examples in Rome, Britain, France, China, etc. and very plainly see the difference. Empires suck resources and money out of their controlled areas toward the mother country (much like the US colonies sent raw goods and taxes to the british) while giving very little back. The US invests heavily in other nations, spends a large amount of its defense budget on bases, fleets, troops stationed all over the world for other countries protection, not ours, and in times of disaster pours out money and resources to afflicted countries (haiti, the tsunami in SE Asia, etc). Please study history and don't make broad generalizations based on your politics.
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Posted: Mar 22nd 2010 3:24PM Meagen said

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Is this going to be another case of "no, Closed Fist is not *technically* evil, now eat this kitten"?

Posted: Mar 22nd 2010 4:14PM (Unverified) said

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HA!
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Posted: Mar 22nd 2010 3:34PM Thac0 said

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If they aren't evil why do they always dehumanize them and make them pale, red-eyed, menacing looking cyborgs? Like the headline image? If they are going to make the ideals grey they need to have beautiful Sith and Ugly Jedi as well.

Posted: Mar 22nd 2010 3:35PM Georgio said

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Yes they are the good guys :) At least for me :) All my avatars are/were horde, asmodae, pirate, dark elves etc. I do not trust the beutiful inocent looking human , elves, etc. Devil is always showing a beautiful face to the unsuspecting victims :)

Posted: Mar 22nd 2010 3:39PM (Unverified) said

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One man's terrorist is another man's freedom fighter?

Posted: Mar 22nd 2010 3:48PM JonBuck said

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I look at the armor of the guy on the left and think: "Tron? Sark?"

Posted: Mar 22nd 2010 3:56PM RogueJedi86 said

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Make no mistake though, these people are still evil. Look at the disastrous Treaty of Coruscant, where the Empire approached a peace treaty with the Republic, but only as a front for a crippling sneak attack at the heart of the Republic. There's nothing honorable about that. Erickson's quote is only saying they do have motivations beyond just "for the evulz". They have realistic motivations, even if they're sadistic things like destroying the Republic.

And frankly, I'm glad the Empire is being portrayed as evil. A large part of WoW's staleness of late is that both sides are essentially the same thing now. Both sides are decent honorable people who don't do anything for the sake of evil. That got to the point, especially in the Burning Crusade expansion, where they were essentially Enemies In Name Only, allies in everything but the word itself. They were constantly uniting to fight the same foes, and it got boring. They even share all the same classes now too, so there's no differences even there. The only bright spot there is the growing war in WotLK that will further escalate in Cataclysm.

So in light of WoW's growing staleness of identical factions, it's nice to see that the Empire is unapologetically evil. I'm hardcore Republic, I'll be a Trooper on Day One, and never roll Empire, and I still appreciate the Empire being evil. They will have their own motivations, but they are still evil, which works as something for the Republic to rally against.

Posted: Mar 22nd 2010 4:05PM (Unverified) said

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Sith Empire: Free Market "Live and Let Die" society, often run like a military; but it is a meritocracy (you advance in this society based on your own accomplishments).
Jedi, Old Republic: Socialist "heavy government" bureaucracy, democracy that overindulges in inefficiency and protocol.

It started as a religious schism, that turned into a holy war (holier than thou war!) that spans generations and only became more bitter as time went. Both sides committed atrocities (re: genocide), with Jedi definitely committing more of them, with Sith being nearly wiped out a lot more often than the other way.

History is written by the winners, and since the Jedi keep winning, the Sith became "the bad guys". They're just not around to set the record straight, see?

Think I'm full of it? Read the Jedi code. Read the Sith code.

Think about what you read.

If Jedi can be compared to Catholic Church... then that makes the Sith the Wiccans.

Burn the infidels, right?

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