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Posted: Mar 21st 2010 4:10PM ultimateq said

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Buying money online where they just mail you or trade you the money does not give gold sellers the means to hack your account. It's just a ridiculous assumption. What it does do is encourage spammers.

Power leveling services are retarded, why even buy them? You're paying someone else to play your game for you. Yeah, that makes sense.

I don't encourage people to buy Gold, Kinah, Plat, etc etc. But aside from annoying spammers, it doesn't destroy anything. The game, the economy or anything for that matter, except maybe you're wallet.

Posted: Mar 21st 2010 4:28PM MrGutts said

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Well it does give them the ability to exploit your system when you visit there websites. I am not going into details but it is easy for them if you are running scripts.

That is one of the main ways they hack your account, another way is people just clicking on links they have no business clicking on. Then people yell and scream.
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Posted: Mar 22nd 2010 6:52AM thesage42 said

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It doesn't give them the "means" to hack peoples accounts but it does give them the incentive. When you buy gold you're basically paying someone to hack accounts, that's their job. If fewer people paid for gold then they wouldn't be able to make a living on it and so they would do something else with their time instead.

Every hacked account was paid for by gold buyers, they are scum for aiding the hackers.
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Posted: Mar 22nd 2010 11:42AM ultimateq said

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Yeah that just sounds like fear mongering propaganda.
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Posted: Mar 21st 2010 4:16PM Mr Angry said

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Amusing how it is 'a big deal' now...

Anyone remember back when Kinah spamming was a real problem with Aion, and left unresolved for 2 months.

So now it's the players fault for buying the Kinah, rather than NCSoft for detecting and removing bots who generate the currency.

The real effect isn't to game worlds, it's to the amount of resources MMO companies have to spend to detect and remove this behaviour. You will not destroy a game by buying currency. I'm sure that someone will come here and give me economics 101, but save yourself five minutes. If you can give me an example of a MMO which closed due to gold farming, then you've got a point.

Look at EVE, that's the right way to deal with this problem. Even people in EQ2 buy game time for plat too by selling time cards, if it's self policing, there isn't a problem if MMO companies can be more flexible.

Why don't MMO companies invest in creating tools for players to report and resolve these issues, then be rewarded for self-policing the game? Why is this still a problem after at least five years since this behaviour became prevalent, haven't they learnt anything? It's like the record industry not really getting downloads.

Also note the tactic of confusing divulging account security information with the purchase of in game currency. If accounts are hacked and stripped, well then, what measures are NCSoft putting in place to resolve this? If you are stupid enough to give out your password to power level, too bad, you get what you deserve.

So nice to know they NOW have a firm stance on this behaviour, this wasn't the case for quite some time.

Posted: Mar 21st 2010 4:18PM Dandmcd said

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Well, I'll never get those 4 minutes of my life back. I dunno why, but I'm really tempted to go buy some kinah right now.

Posted: Mar 21st 2010 5:50PM jpkustra said

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What a waste of production time and money. Put that effort into your game instead of stupid videos! I've never noticed as many bots in an MMO as I have in Aion and they annoy me more than the "ruined" economy.

Posted: Mar 21st 2010 5:51PM (Unverified) said

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Even though it felt a bit forced it was quite awesome, good job Ncsoft!

Posted: Mar 21st 2010 6:19PM Graill440 said

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Lets all dispell a myth shall we? In order to ruin an economy, there has to be one in the first place, with the exception of ryzom (spelling?) there isnt a single MMO out there that has close to a player run, working economy, dont even try to bring up WOW or EVE's economies they are trade boards nothing more. ALL other current MMO's have devs meddling in the markets, providing extra this or that or buying up certain amounts of whatever.

that aside AION doesnt have an economy, it has a building to post low value items for insane amounts of kinah. All working economies have regulation, there is none in the MMO industry. AION like all the others isnt dying from gold sellers ruining its economy, it never had one, how can it be ruined? So devs stating AION is suffering because of players contributing to gold buying with the incedibly low pop to begin with is ignorance on their part.

I hate gold sellers like the next person, it tells me the devs are ignorant and some really dumb folks are doing what the devs are capable of stopping but afraid to do.

The argument is this, if unregulated amounts of gold are injected into a gaming economy it will fail...........whats to fail? resources are infinite, player will still post ignorant prices like they always have, devs will still meddle, nothing ever runs out or wears out, so where is the economy to hurt? Is the argument the devs are losing real cash that would be spent on their game? How, it would have to be successful in order for that argument to have any merit.

The even bigger joke is when PHD's take tax money and make o so ignorant papers comparing how similar real economies and MMO economies are, what a damn shame of our real money in the form of wasted taxes to justify a job for an ignorant economist. They will do or say anything to keep a job, no matter how ignorant, and people ar afraid to stand up and tell a phd they are idiots when it needs to be done. (i am not)

When devs pull their heads out of their dark places and make working economies then players can complain, until that happens, the only people to blame for AIONs failure are the devs.

Aion has much deeper problems than gold sellers or the bots farming for them, like awareness of where they are, dealing with them, letting the community know whats going on about it daily, etc and my ever growing assumption no one is at the reigns of AION.

I spent 3 days giving information to GM willow in AION, 3 damn days before 1 of two gold bots was removed from the game, the other was auto reported at the same time in the same area, i asked the gm why the second bot hasnt been dealt with yet, 5 days later, we cant find it, i stated again the autoreport was made the same day as the first, multiple times, the response?.......... is the auotreport doesnt report to the devs with names............

What a bunch of shit.

Posted: Mar 22nd 2010 1:05AM Seraphina Brennan said

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I'll bite.

EVE does have a working economy that is beyond other games, and that's why people bring it up. Sure, it's "nothing but a trade board" but what that trade board has over other games is regional markets. This means traveling for purchase, transportation of goods, and item production times are all costs.

Other games aren't affected by the abundance of goods like EVE is. Say a system is awash in a certain type of minerals. Well, those minerals will generally sell for less there, making it a great place to buy but not a great place to sell. Likewise, if a resource is rare, it's a great place to sell but not to buy. The two basics of economy -- supply and demand -- are in place.

Because travel exists in EVE and because the universe is so large, transportation acts as a cost just like it does in the real world. You need to build ships, hire guards, and deal with transit times if you want to take your goods to market. This, in turn, incurs more fees and makes you think about where you want to transport goods. There is also the threat of loss, making it a little more dangerous than in the real world to deal with transit lines. You can also break supply chains by setting up gate-camps, another feature that most MMOs miss.

Taxes and fees are also placed on trading by CONCORD, so you don't avoid the sting of the man either... unless you skill up in accounting practices to help reduce fees. While this is not a perfect simulation, there is money being removed by the government for trade.

So, in short, while the EVE economy may not be a picture perfect economic model, it has more features than most MMO games have. If you could point out to me where EVE truly falls short, however, then I'd be interested to hear what you have to say.

~Sera

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Posted: Mar 21st 2010 6:51PM Georgio said

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I think NCWest tries to justify somehow to NCSoft why Aion failed in the west. Blame the players and RMTers :) , how original :). Its fun now to see how they will try to pull this out after for more than 6months they did an extremely lousy job. I played many MMOs and still palying but in Aion I experienced the worst ever support, feedback from developers and game fixes. For the love of god even after 6 months there are stupid translation mistakes in quests. There also so many one-liner code errors that any 1st year computer science student can fix. Aion looks and feels like an abandoned product.

Posted: Mar 21st 2010 11:20PM MewmewGrrl said

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While that video was completely stupid, Aion hasn't "failed" in the west. What are you talking about? It's been generally successful here.
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Posted: Mar 22nd 2010 2:54AM (Unverified) said

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One says it's a failure, the other a success. Unless either of you offer quantifiable evidence to support your position, what you profess is nothing more than opinion.

Just sayin'...
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Posted: Mar 21st 2010 7:10PM (Unverified) said

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Aaaaackward.

Seriously. I don't even know where to start with this one so I'll just look the other way.

Posted: Mar 21st 2010 7:39PM Rialle said

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I personally feel there is no excuse to purchase in game currency. If you believe that Aion's economy or game design is so messed up that there is no choice but to buy kinah, then send NCSoft the message by canceling your subscription. I do not play Aion,so I wouldn't know first hand, but it is my understanding that some players find it exceedingly difficult to make kinah.

However, I do know for a fact that there is absolutely no reason to buy gold in WoW, yet there are plenty of people do it. Gold is extremely easy to make, and yet we still see gold spam and people getting keylogged left and right. Purchasing in game currency absolutely harms the game and other players, because there is a good chance that it came from another player who got hit by a keylogger. By using the services of the "gold farmers," you have essentially stolen from another player by proxy.

The next time you log in and find out your guild mate has lost all his stuff due to being key logged, and that the attacker has also wiped out whatever guild assets he's been accessed to, the people to ultimately be blamed are the players who were too lazy to earn their own money, or too stupid to cancel if the game designers really did make it too hard.

Posted: Mar 21st 2010 7:54PM whateveryousay said

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That was horrible. I don't even play Aion and I want to just buy up all the Kinah the web has to offer. I also have the sudden urge to take drugs and participate in prostitution and Farmville.

Posted: Mar 21st 2010 8:23PM darthinfamous said

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Oh god no not farmville!
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Posted: Mar 21st 2010 8:39PM (Unverified) said

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Myself and my friends that *used* to play Aion all found this video insulting. It has a very flippant tone to it -- as though they are making fun of their player-base.

But hey, this is pretty typical of NCsoft and specifically NCwest. Time and again they have proven utterly incapable of communicating and understanding their customers, now they just make video proof of that (in which they blatantly mock us).

Posted: Mar 21st 2010 8:42PM Danieros said

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If I feel the need to use my wallet in order to enjoy the game, I simply stop playing it.

Kind of creative to see a video like this, it's unfortunate every major MMO suffers from it, or they offer you a cash shop instead for you to pay to achieve, which defeats the purpose of playing in the same way for me.

Posted: Mar 21st 2010 9:15PM Wensbane said

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That video was SO bad that even I - someone who wouldn't touch Aion with a ten-foot pole - feel tempted to go buy some kinah, RIGHT NOW, just to punish NCSoft for the time I've lost watching it.

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