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Posted: Mar 18th 2010 4:12PM Thac0 said

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Shes awesome, I've always been envious of her for being able to have a job making ARGs. I will admit the last one of hers i picked up on was World Without Oil and i didn't think it was so engaging which is too bad.

Posted: Mar 18th 2010 4:31PM (Unverified) said

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Saw it earlier today... Great lecture, I cant say I totally agree with her but she has some points...
Anyway, I thought it worth mention that new game of her called "Evoke" launched 3 weeks ago...
http://www.urgentevoke.com/

Posted: Mar 18th 2010 4:44PM Wulf said

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I can certainly get behind her sentiments. Unfortunately, I think they're a little too idealistic as John Gabriel's GIFT applies many orders of magnitude more often than the minute number of decent people:

http://art.penny-arcade.com/photos/215499488_8pSZr-L-2.jpg

Posted: Mar 18th 2010 4:58PM jealouspirate said

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This is what I was thinking as well. EVE came to mind as well, and the cut-throat environment that can exist there.

I do admire the idea of taking gamers and "using" them for a greater purpose, but I also think that people often become worse versions of themselves in online games.

For the average WoW gamer, how often do you see someone say things like "for fuck's sake" or "you retard" to complete strangers? Probably a lot. Yet if you're in line at the grocery store you don't hear someone say "For fuck's sake hurry up you retard".

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Posted: Mar 18th 2010 5:32PM ultimateq said

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Posted: Mar 23rd 2010 7:50PM (Unverified) said

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To jealouspirate:
I can understand where you are coming from, in which people are more vocal in their nastiness in games then in real life, but that's just it. They're being more vocal. I can almost guarantee that that same person you mentioned in the grocery may not say it out loud, but that doesn't necessarily mean they are not thinking it. Because there will always be someone still thinking those rude and nasty thoughts, but are merely keeping quiet for 'appearance' sake. In a game, no one knows who you are, and thus people are less likely to feel pressured to just 'suck it up and deal' instead of saying what's on their minds, be it good or bad.
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Posted: Mar 18th 2010 4:45PM Deadalon said

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Many become the best versions of themselfs ? I guess she is talking about the ninjas and server hoppers that WOW is thriving on.

I have always played MMOs as the "nice guy". Until I found out that the games pretty much punish you for playing such. Giving ppl epic items instead of selling them for 5k... spending time helping a guild member to do group quests..... No... this is NOT what games like WOW are doing. They reward the asholes MORE than the real world does. And if we talk about other MMOs and the nedless spamming of goldsellers and bots ? Yeah right... THis chick is living in a dream world that has nothing to do with gaming.

Posted: Mar 18th 2010 5:09PM LuxAurumque said

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I think that you have a twisted view of the world... of warcraft. The thing that you need to remember is that "if it bleeds it leads". Humans are hardwired to better remember the bad things that happen. For example in a group that ran a instance a person ninja's an epic that everyone wanted and hearths. What is forgotten to be mentioned are the times it _does not_ happen. How often do people ninja loot? If ninja looting happened every run and only thieves get ahead would people still play the game? No, I have played wow for years and while I have had loot stolen, and heard nasty things said in general people are nice. Also derogatory words like you are using are the last resort of the weak minded.
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Posted: Mar 18th 2010 4:58PM Sonoran said

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A lot of stacking of anecdote, inference and coincidence... you can't help but root for her vision of game's role in the future, even if it is a bit unlikely

Posted: Mar 18th 2010 5:09PM J Brad Hicks said

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That. Was the. COOLEST. (Bleeped) thing. I. Have seen. In YEARS.

/em is awestruck.

Thank you!

Posted: Mar 18th 2010 5:12PM (Unverified) said

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World of Warcraft has absolutely changed the way that we are meeting and socializing with people. We are finding people that we have the game in common with, and exploring hundreds of other things that we have in common, too... Kids, families, locations, work... It has turned into a huge business network for me!

Posted: Mar 18th 2010 5:47PM (Unverified) said

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the saddest thing is that no one sees anything wrong with this. youre praising this? the woman is a psycho...in fact, i expected this from some 30-year-old hermit male, not a woman. but i guess the gaming insanity reaches the opposite sex as well.

yes our world is broken, but the increasing disconnect from reality and escapism to games, ipods and the like is absolutely frightening. running away from the problems of reality to "create" something fake is one of the reasons why community development is a lost art, and why the healthcare bill in the states has become a joke. there's no one left to fight for a better society because we've all become sleepers, building better realities in virtual spaces.

im sorry, but this woman is sick, and youre sick in the head if you agree with any of the crap she's spewing.

Posted: Mar 18th 2010 6:00PM Deadalon said

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Lux... ppl in real life are also generally nice - you are not robbed on every corner are you ? WOW is no diffrent. The only thing is that WOW is more simple than the real world. PPL play WOW for certain goals and since the goals are less complicated and more common than what RL is all about - ppl finish those goals and then go for the next and the next and the next...

By then that sad face we see in the picuture is .... 25 years old with no life all sorts of problems and on social security benefits. Hows that good for this world ?

Get real ppl - dont listen to this crap.

Posted: Mar 18th 2010 6:29PM LuxAurumque said

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Escapism to an MMO is a symptom not a disease. While there are those that are hurting themselves and their families by playing to many hours in the virtual world this is not the fault of the MMO. For a second let us say that we could with a wave of our hand do away with all MMOs and social online gaming. My question I pose to you is will those who were lost to them with little impulse control revert to model citizens? To cure an ill one must get to the root cause of the problem not merely attack the symptoms! While it is all well and good to denigrate a class of people (though "gamer is a large class indeed) it does little if it is facetious prattle meant to just make one feel better.
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Posted: Mar 23rd 2010 7:39PM (Unverified) said

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I have to say I agree with Lux on the fact that escaping into the world of MMOs isn't the true problem. Let's face it, we all have something we try to use to have a little peace to ourselves. Some may read books, others may listen to music, to name a few examples. Then there are people who play video games. It's not the video games fault, people are the ones who make the personal choice to get involved in something. I also have to back Lux up on what he said about what would happen if MMOs vanished. The people that play them, and are addicted to them, would not change. They would simply have found something else to get addicted to. I say this because as a person with ADHD, I have an addictive personality, in which, if I like something I obsess over it. I don't mean to, and most times I know it's a very bad thing, but I can't help it. It's my personality and the way I am. I have to live with that every day for the rest of my life, and I'm only turning 20 so that's a long time to go.
As for my personal opinion on the speech itself, I found it to be truly inspiring. However, the realistic side of me says that, no matter what I do, I am but one person on this great big world of ours. Anything I do is but a blip on the map, so to speak. I believe things happen for a reason, but in the end, optimism will only get you so far.
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Posted: Mar 18th 2010 6:16PM Lateris said

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I think she has a really good point. Interestingly enough I game with Jews, Islamics, Christians, French, German, Mexican, Russians, Israelis, hot Danish woman, and even those wacky American and Canadians (kidding) etc!!!!! And we all get along just fine and actually really like each other. Guild dram is handled maturely. We just never talk politics and if we do it is a discussion. But our main goal is to work together in the game we are playing.

Posted: Mar 18th 2010 6:24PM (Unverified) said

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the only problem i have with this is that these games she is proposing look extremely boring.

Posted: Mar 19th 2010 10:01AM Thac0 said

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Unfortunately they are really boring. I looked into teh Evoke game shes running now and I cant find anything fun about it. You get points for blogging and doing homework but the points are meaningless and there is nothing fun about the homework. She will have to keep working at it to make her dream real.
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Posted: Mar 18th 2010 6:23PM Wensbane said

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I'll be honest, after listening to her speech about how great virtual worlds are compared to the real world - "no unemployment, no sitting around, no problems that you can't overcome! - I didn't get any sort of urge to run off and "save the real world".

Quite the opposite, in fact, I just found myself thinking: "Yeap, screw the real world, I need to spend even more time in front of the PC!".

Seriously though, virtual worlds CAN be a platform to show the best of yourself. But they can also be the perfect platform to do the exact opposite.
There have been times when I've been "the best I can be", online, but there have been others when I've shown myself as the perfect example of the G.I.F. theory in action. I'm not proud of it, of course, but I'm only human. It happens!

So I'm glad someone's trying to use gaming to warn us about the pitiful state of our world. Really, I am. But I'm a gamer, and I just don't see myself as a "Super-Empowered Hopeful Individual". Far from it.

I consider myself a realist. I believe whatever will happen to this planet, will be the final result of a long-term COLLECTIVE effort from mankind. I could wake up tomorrow, inspired by her little speech, with a genuine ambition to single-handedly save this planet, and it still wouldn't matter one bit.

The ONLY thing I CAN do is remain a realist, and keep making the SMALL compromises I normally do: spend a little less water, unplug the TV, use rechargeable batteries, etc.
THOSE (apparently insignificant) deeds are MY "epic wins"!

Because, at the end of the day, I am only human. But my avatar... is not.

Posted: Mar 18th 2010 6:42PM (Unverified) said

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Some very valid points, perhaps in 30-50 years time we will be learning things in completely different ways than we ever thought possible AND we would be enjoying it. Wish it was backed up by more quantitative (hard facts) data supporting her ideas.


Hmm strangely enough I've found this article on mmosite about a month ago (lol out of all mmo portals) which deals with a similar topic:

http://news.mmosite.com/content/2009-12-27/mmo_players_hidden_champions,1.shtml

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