CCP Releases February CSM Minutes

Any chance of atmospheric flight making into the Eve game like the demo we saw 5 years ago at the fanfest...5 years ago? Sorry I could not resist.

I'm not sure where you're looking. From what I've seen the community's response seems to be generally positive to the new minutes, and the resolutions they have. Yes, there have been negative reactions to previous CSMs, but I think CCP has finally found their stride, and it can only go uphill from here.

Disclaimer: I am not a member of the CSM, and I did not vote for any of the current CSM. I did vote for one of the alts.

Actually, I think the training is spot on, it provides a great balance that keeps new players competitive because the bonuses of skills are linear but the training times are exponential. This makes players who have played years longer not orders of magnitude more powerful. It's probably the one thing CCP did best with EVE Online.

The problems with EVE are everything else, and the atmosphere it fosters (It basically attracts griefers, scammers, and other players who delight in nothing else but making other people's life awful). Poking through the CSM notes, but unless I see things addressing this point (I doubt we will) I can't see EVE ever catching on in a very mainstream way. It'll remain a niche (a solid niche) for the 'dark' side of MMO gamers. Which may be an overall good thing, it'll keep them out of the other MMOs.

That will probably never get addressed because if they do it, it'll be a total game revamp. All the seedy griefers and scammers that currently play EVE would likely quit when they can't exploit other players for malicious fun, and CCP would have to hope that they get replaced with a mainstream playerbase. I feel like it would, and that they would gain an overall large number of people than they lost. It's too radical a change to expect CCP to make though.

Why not? EVE players love to tout their economy as closely paralleling the real world, something that I'd say is roughly accurate. It is closer than most MMOs at least.

Why not actually have enforceable economic regulations as well? Those do exist in the real world, and [in some countries] work quite well. It may even cut back on some of the ridiculous griefing that keeps players away from Eve.

CCP's reply to suicide ganking pretty much ignored the CSM.

Their only response was really to put in a system to mitigate newbies accidentally getting ganked which isn't the point. Newbies lose little to nothing when they do so, and they tend to only do so once. Losing a t1 cruiser with low meta mods and no rigs is nothing.

The meta problem is that the insurance makes ganking mining barges and industrials something possible with little to no financial risk to the ganker, which defeats the entire point of EVE-actions have real risk.

Going to read the forum replies before I comment further, but this response in particular shows a pretty large disconnect between csm and ccp.

@Dblade; There are 3 possibilities; you didn't read the minutes, you didn't understand the minutes, you are trolling.

First off, suicide ganking:

"The CSM brought up the issue of suicide ganking and feels it is too easy. The main problem is that this is in effect subsidized by insurance. CCP is aware of the issue and has discussed it at great length in-house. CCP feels it absolutely needs to compensate newbies that attack players by mistake in high-sec. This may get changed in the future but not in the summer expansion. It was made clear that suicide ganking is an accepted game mechanic."

"The CSM brought up the issue of suicide ganking being subsidized by insurance. CCP is aware of the issue but has not decided on action at this point. CCP made clear that suicide ganking is an accepted game mechanic."


They are not talking about newbies getting ganked. A commonly suggested idea is that having a ship blown up by CONCORD should not give an insurance payout, CCP are saying that they will not implement that because it would punish newbies who attack people in high-sec without realising what is going to happen. People don't gank a "t1 cruiser with low meta mods", they gank Industrials with enough stuff on board to make up for what insurance doesn't cover. And since it takes 30 seconds to target an Industrial, the only one to lose one is to be AFK in a high-population area (Jita).


"Titans in lowsec are a stupid idea for one."

Again, you are not comprehending. Titans can already enter lowsec, they are talking about making it possible for the Titan to fire its Doomsday device in lowsec. Doomsdays were heavily nerfed in Dominion so they are now a focused weapon rather than an AoE win button, so having the Titan unable to fire it in lowsec is an artificial restriction.

Docking games are not played by poor, unwilling victims. Docking games are played by the "leet" PvPers who realise they've been outgunned, so having scrams stop docking and in compromise giving us an in-station overview seems to be a good thing.

Thing is though there is no reason to mention newbies as a reason to worry about suicide ganking. You miss my point, the point is a newbie will lose at best a cheap cruiser from being concordokkened and not a frigate, and usually that happens once. I don't get the sense they want to change it or that they are addressing it from that if they use that as an example of a danger in changing it.

It's focusing on a very minor worry.

The titans using the doomsday in lowsec is stupid. Having caps in lowsec is stupid, period. Buffing them is not needed. If anything it would be better to take them out of lowsec and let true small gang pvp and factional warfare work. If you want cap battles go to 0.0

The scrams stopping docking is dumb. There's a fine line between station games and just wanting to gtfo of there, and the difference is aggression. A non-aggresive station gamer can't do anything: it's the guy who comes out, tries to pop a frig, and can easily get back in while tanking you due to stopping fighting with any aggressive act. That's what they needed to fix, and scramblers doing it is overkill. Especially if sensor-boosted Inty's can lock and scramble incoming ships before they actually hit dock.

I believe CCP's focus is right -

Suicide ganking experienced players in their industrials is OK. In fact they should probably make that even easier and more profitable. Most suicide ganks are avoidable anyhow, it's only a problem if you suck horribly at EVE.

Getting Concorded should probably be "avoidable" for newbs, since losing that cruiser in accident might mean you can't afford to replace it. Not sure how they'd implement that in game mechanics though.

Makes a lot of sense and it's just the appropriate fix for the "problem".

See the many, many previous answers to this. 300k people from all over the world in every timezone on Earth are unlikely to all be online at the same time.