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Posted: Feb 11th 2010 12:06PM (Unverified) said

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built from nothing? it uses pre-existing IP from other film and game dev studios and is built using the champions online engine!
They only needed content and engine adaptation, that's a lot more than 'nothing'.

Posted: Feb 11th 2010 12:13PM Keen and Graev said

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Going to have to agree with Jon. A lot of the game is obviously cut and paste.
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Posted: Feb 11th 2010 1:04PM sandwiches said

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I agree wholeheartedly, Jon.

"The full interview confirms that the whole game had a two-year development cycle."

Trust us, Cryptic. It shows.
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Posted: Feb 11th 2010 3:04PM pcgneurotic said

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I didn't think it had ever been proved that they used any of the previous dev's stuff, other than looking at some of their concept art adn saying 'Yeah, that's nice'. What other content are you talking about?
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Posted: Feb 11th 2010 12:16PM Thac0 said

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Craig: Exactly. It's getting that killing blow. Getting the explosion.

That is the most revealing statement for the interview! That is why STO is the way it is.

Posted: Feb 11th 2010 12:16PM (Unverified) said

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While I don't care for Cryptic or STO, they did a remarkable job in 18 months of development time.

I'll follow that up with: how much better would the game be if it had a typical MMO development time? (3-4 years?)

Posted: Feb 11th 2010 12:23PM Lateris said

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I have to agree with you.

I just tried PvP in space and it was a ton of fun. I do like the transition between space and the ground game. I was hoping for a sandbox STO game but over all there are no wizards in this game and I like that. I am mainly an Eve Online player which is weird because I really like this game. As far as the article goes I think it was a good idea to add a skill system instead of the leveling scheme like EQ and WoW, etc. I think Cryptic is learning and will have to change with the community and their communications hence the free expansion for CO. Programming an engine can be biatch.
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Posted: Feb 11th 2010 12:38PM (Unverified) said

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Well, I do think the space and ground combat is good. Not perfect, but pretty good. And the individual star systems are quite beautiful.

However, outside of that, the game is empty, or the other parts of it feel rushed and poorly put together. Even as the smallest example, the exploration badge vendors have prices that make no sense, and are often inconsistent.

There's two things, other than the short release timeframe, I think are telling. One is how often the phrase "Oh, man, we got it right!" gets used in interviews. Just playing your game all day the day before headstart does not suddenly give you a fresh perspective on your game. They are too myopic.

Also, as pointed out above, its just bad if the lead guy is a "pew pew" guy that likes explosions. I'm all for combat, just certain attitudes about combat I think make for less interesting combat.

Posted: Feb 11th 2010 2:48PM RogueJedi86 said

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"One is how often the phrase "Oh, man, we got it right!" gets used in interviews."

Maybe they think if they say it enough, the fans will believe it too.
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Posted: Feb 11th 2010 12:56PM (Unverified) said

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STO, a very unremarkable MMORPG.

It's big claim to fame is speed development? Yay for fast food MMO's?

Posted: Feb 11th 2010 1:29PM Tizmah said

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WoW may be a popular resturaunt and always packed, but at least the food is fulfilling enough to last even though the look of it is beginning to lose it's luster.
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Posted: Feb 11th 2010 1:39PM (Unverified) said

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Keen said on 12:13PM 2-11-2010

Going to have to agree with Jon. A lot of the game is obviously cut and paste.

yeah here is a funny example, when i canceled my Star Trek Online subscription yesterday I went to the star trek account management page, clicked cancel, and was asked -
"Why you are canceling your Champions Online account?"

lol looks like someone forgot to do some pasting....

Posted: Feb 14th 2010 6:39PM (Unverified) said

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haha, wow... *shakes head*
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Posted: Feb 11th 2010 2:55PM (Unverified) said

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Wise man once say, " You can get Monet to paint beautiful scenery on a hardened dog turd, but once it rains, water remove paint, and expose turd for what it really is."

Which is precisely what cryptic does, over produticion in graphics to cover up the most primitive and shoddy game mechanics I have ever encountered in an mmo to date. CO wasn't worth the ten dollars I paid for it during the steam holiday promo, and buying STO was an even bigger waste of money, I wish I would have learned from my past mistake with Cryptic, but assuredly I will NEVER make that mistake again. After two days of playing this game I have quit and even told them to cancel my remaining 28 days or so of game time. And yes, i got the same thing when i went to cancel my account, it said it was a Champions Online sub as well. I am honestly embarrased that I ever trusted a company that is this rag-tag and shoddy with my credit card information.

If the reviews I read about this game prior to buying were a snake they would have bit me right in my stupid behind, but i decided to give them a chance, needless to say, I sincerely regret spending 4 months worth of mmo sub fees for this rediculously crappy game. And this is all after ONLY TWO DAYS OF GAME PLAY.

And I'm not even going to touch their shady marketing tactics full of broken and empty promises. Not even to mention the deceitful way they tooted their own horn about breaking the Guiness record. This sinking ship just needs to toss in the towel and sucumb to the waves.

Posted: Feb 11th 2010 3:06PM pcgneurotic said

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Stupid is as stupid does tbh, djellerman. Sounds like you bit your own ass there.
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Posted: Feb 11th 2010 3:08PM pcgneurotic said

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One more thing, is the Guiness record attempt you're talking about the one that hasn't even happened yet? Or was there another one, that I missed?
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Posted: Feb 11th 2010 4:12PM LaughingTarget said

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Isn't commenting on the success of the risk something that's done after, you know, there is some actual success? Any MMO can grab 1 million accounts if combined with another game, counts every spambot that signs up, and is based on a wildly popular television and movie franchise. Wait and see how the investment pans out before calling it a risky move.

Posted: Feb 11th 2010 5:39PM Bezza said

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Great game, loads of fun. Needs more servers/hardware to cut down on latency issues in ground combat and peak play times but that will come in time. very happy i bought lifetime subscription as i know i will enjoy this game for a long time yet.

Built from nothing? Sorry it clearly has CO heritage and huge IP background as stated by others. I mean credit where credit is due by all means but do some research before you make such statments please.

Posted: Feb 11th 2010 5:11PM Lichbane1 said

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Ok guys. We get it. You flipflops are stolen and the dog's pregnant .... and it's all Cryptic fault!

You guys really need to move on. So you don't like Cryptic. We get it! Now just GET OVER IT! There are enough of us who actually have played STO (from closed beta to now) who see the vast improvement in the game; it's actually a lot of fun.

Mind you ... you can just continue to hold onto you hate. I'm sure it's made you the people you are.

Posted: Feb 11th 2010 7:24PM (Unverified) said

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@Lichbane: Are you serious? You're suggesting that a site built around user opinion is best served by shelving said opinions?

Lol. Ok..

Anyhow, if you're the type of player that can find "a lot of fun" in STO, then good on you.
But, aside from thusly contributing to developer laziness into the future by supporting such a wobbling, steaming, shallow pile of shizen as STO, commenting on the 'hate' simply makes you look like a tryhard.

Pro Tip - when you comment @ Massively there's no 'we'. You don't speak for anyone but your interestingly deluded self.

Seriously.
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