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Posted: Feb 9th 2010 8:28AM (Unverified) said

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Ok, Chris we get it. you like Eve and those of us who do not are a bunch of idiots. We all bow down to your superior intellect and awesomeness.
BTW, you could use the word "idiot" a few more times in your posts.

Posted: Feb 9th 2010 9:35AM cchance said

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theirs a difference between playing a game with internet spaceships and one with your own life...

This is like saying "i like going to the casino" and " i hate the casino cause u can loose" WTF!

Posted: Feb 9th 2010 11:13AM (Unverified) said

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If you're going to continually argue over how EVE is awesome because of risk of LOSING something.. then, learn how to spell 'lose' correctly. Why does everyone spell it as "loose"? :/
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Posted: Feb 9th 2010 10:28AM cchance said

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LOL I guess theirs exceptions :D But then again, it makes me ask...

That 5$ you put into the penny slot even once a year, if it had a payout of 0, you can put your penny in and get a penny back, but never any more or less...

Would it still be worth playing?

Posted: Feb 9th 2010 10:55AM (Unverified) said

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Ah, the battle-cry of the ignorant: I'm not writing a term paper! It's not school! Tell me, when you're practicing a sport, like football, do you wear your helmet on your foot and your sneaker on your head? After all, it's not the real game, it's just practice. People shouldn't call you a twit for that, hmm? I'm half-tempted to spell out the meaning of that last statement for you, but I won't. Perhaps somebody will text message you the point.

Yes, language skills only apply at school. After all, that's what language was created for, right? School and terms papers. Something vaguely ironic in how you're championing the rights of the ignorant, the lazy and the incoherent while using a medium that was supposed to revolutionize learning and let us leap forward in terms of communication.

Thanks for proving my points by the way, about schoolyard bullies being the champions of the EvE gaming world. I suppose I should have added "ignorant and laughable" as adjectives in front of that, in deference to you, but to be fair I've met some very articulate and smart people that play EvE, even if they were bullies who delighted in griefing others and trying to make others miserable in real life through their actions in a game.

I'd love to comment more, but I'm starting to feel somewhat guilty about it. Posting rebuttals to your rantings seems rather like snatching candy from the hand of a kid. Please though, continue posting about how 'idiotic' the rest of us are, especially those who comprehend the difference between 'your' and 'you're'. At the very least you have to make one most post, before the mods here take the posts away; I'm heading to work and need a good laugh since there's a lot of stuff to do today.

Posted: Feb 9th 2010 11:34AM LaughingTarget said

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Spelling and grammar in blog comments isn't important. If you can understand what's being said, that's all there is to it.
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Posted: Feb 9th 2010 11:53AM (Unverified) said

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I have to completely disagree with you LaughingTarget. I tend to read like an editor and when I see someone who constantly misuses the words "your" and "you're" it really bothers me. Generally I find it ruins the whole message that the original poster was trying to get across. I would say the ability to write the language correctly directly relates to the reader's ability to understand the message. Perhaps other people just have lower standards and are able to overlook the glaring errors.

Either way I don't know that Chris should be calling anyone an idiot when he is completely unable to communicate effectively. Overlooking his grammar and spelling he has some valid points about EvE as does DKyle. It is certainly not a game that everyone can enjoy but luckily it has a very generous free trial system for anyone who might be curious.
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Posted: Feb 9th 2010 3:56PM Sean D said

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I couldn't agree more. There is room to forgive honest mistakes in typing, but to ignore grammar altogether puts one at risk of being misinterpreted, which is something that occurs frequently in blogging and email in general. I would think - and this is just me, perhaps - that one who is interested in having their opinions taken seriously would be just as interested in presenting their opinions in a manner that can be taken seriously.
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Posted: Feb 9th 2010 11:33AM Psychotic Storm said

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I would just like to point out a few observations from my point of view.

in the "no risk" MMo's gear is prestige, sure, you do not loose it, but the fact you got it means you achieved one way or another a difficult challenge and sometimes managed it more than once because of the ^&%*^&$ loot tables, anyway...

by comparison in EVE any and all ship/ equipment anything means nothing, sure you can work hard and make the money you need to buy the next big ship and then more and so on, or, buy a few plex wait for the skills to reach the critical point and fly almost anything, no challenge getting it, no story behind it, just time and ISK.

Also about EVE's N1 rule, by definition titans brake this rule just by existing.

Posted: Feb 9th 2010 12:35PM (Unverified) said

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Wow, eve appears to be a hated game around here. as an EVE player I feel i can make an observation. EVE is not for everybody, that by no means makes you an idiot or a MMO sally if you find the unforgiving world and harsh death penalties of EVE not to your liking.
To some these are the main draws of the game. Victory and defeat in this game are crushing. Those factors make the game feel important, real world time effort and planning go into every battle. the tactics are real and brutal. the politics are underhanded and complicated, It make the game exciting to those who enjoy those factors. The dangerous persistent dystopian world is enticing as a true challenge. EVE is a complicated game with a thousand different ways to play it. It is not easy, quick or forgiving. Victories and conquests are glorious and defeats are, well, defeating. :)
Once you defeat the steep learning curve, find a good team and win a few battles, make your first 100 mil, or pop your first belt, you will know what is is all about.
It takes perseverance and effort to be successful in EVE, you will die. repeatedly. But victory is sweet.
And remember, "30mil now, or i send you to your clone!" means exactly what it says.... (:}X

Posted: Feb 9th 2010 1:13PM (Unverified) said

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Yeah. I dont want that shit in my games. I love PvP, but hate games that give people the tools to be asshats. Its not about not having risk/reward gameplay. Its about not having the risk be so high that it gets in the way of playing the game. Im fine with Death Penalties that are a slap on the wrist...shake it off and jump back in the action. But if you nullify the past 3 weeks of gameplay just because you felt like it...f' that. I have better things to do with my time. Eve was perhaps one of the worst gaming experiences of my life just because the community is full of elitist shits who just loooove to pick on someone new to their sandbox. Here's hoping that either Jumpgate Evolution or Black Prophecy delivers the Privateer-esque gameplay that I've been wanting in a space based MMO for years.
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Posted: Feb 9th 2010 2:33PM (Unverified) said

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Yea, it can be brutal. the old adage of only fly what you can afford is very true. also some of the cheapest ships in the game are the most effective. take this for instance:
http://eve.battleclinic.com/killboard/killmail.php?id=9260695

A extremely expensive faction ship brought down by a few cheap ships and a few dirty tricks :) classic EVE PVP.
I have had enormous success with cheap ships, some of the most famous and despised empires in the game have been built on blobs of frigates as a foundation.
though as we all know, nothing in EVE lasts forever....
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Posted: Feb 9th 2010 1:29PM (Unverified) said

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Hey Hey

Well besides post's from the grammar nazi, this has been an interesting conversation. At the end of the day people will play what games most interest them, or what games they have found a community that they feel close to. I like the idea of the Chart , but I will not put to much stock in it

I would love to see someone make a chart of how many hours one would need to play to get the top gear in any PVE game. I used to raid in eq2 and i spent a lot of time raiding in order to get a few upgrades. Sure you do not lose them when you die , but you do when you get an upgrade.

There are a lot of great MMO's out there , and i can see why people would feel strongly about the ones they play, but trying to tell some one else why there game is not "the" game seems childish, and a waste of time, but this is the internets.

Welcome Home
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Posted: Feb 9th 2010 1:41PM EdmundDante said

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It is a bit of a paradox in game design philosophy. You have to make a game tough in order for it to be fun.

The trick is, making it tough but a enjoyable tough - not just a mindless grind.

I think what will kill STO in the end is there is no toughness to it.

Posted: Feb 9th 2010 3:02PM Zach Adams said

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Reading about EVE fascinates me. I'm very glad the game exists--I think from a sociological point of view it's really enthralling, and the world needs the OPTION of that kind of cutthroat crazy MMO. The skullduggery, scamming and espionage aspects are totally unique and make it an untapped vein for academic research. It's like Trade Wars 2002 on a grand scale, and it would suck if EVERY MMO had a death penalty as weak as City of Heroes.

That said, I know myself well enough to know that EVE pushes it further than I would enjoy--the focus on high stakes corp/alliance-level PVP would break me *fast* (I'm legit almost blind).

I keep hoping for a happy medium, something that offers more risk than EQ2 and WoW but less than EVE, but it seems that most people want either a slap on the wrist or six hours of simultaneous genital torture and waterboarding.

Posted: Feb 9th 2010 3:14PM Dblade said

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It's not the cost or risk really. The problem in EVE is more that it's just too easy to lose any ship in seconds whether its from unbalanced fights, or being called as a primary target. It's not hard to afford a decent ship and fittings, and you can mitigate as much risk as you like just by ignoring lowsec and 0.0.

Thing is though that there's nothing balancing PvP at all. You can camp a gate with a ton of people, or take a frigate out with a battleship if you like. Fights can be one-sided and over faster than you can react, and that's more of an issue that the cost/time ratio of ships. The downside of open-world pvp is that it leads to numbers (in EVE we call em blobs) and shipping up defining battles. As well as lag.

Posted: Feb 9th 2010 3:34PM enamelizer said

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Damn dude, did you forget to take your meds this morning?

You cry more than a carebear during Hulkageddon.

Posted: Feb 9th 2010 3:43PM enamelizer said

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If you like spreadsheets, you will love EVE.

But tbh, the ship combat in STO is much more engaging than the ship combat in EVE. The only thing that is more interesting in EVE is the politics, which about 1% of players get to be involved in, and the market which is more ruthless PvP then ship combat will ever be.

Posted: Feb 9th 2010 3:58PM Darkwood71 said

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I have to be honest, I love EVE. And, no, I'm not a pirate. I continually read a lot of negative comments about EVE on massively, and I find it unfortunate. It's true that the EVE universe can be a harsh and unforgiving place. It's also true that there's plenty of "asshats" in the game that enjoy trying to ruin your idea of fun. And, yes, a lost ship is gone forever.

However, here's what I've learned about these things after playing EVE for a year.

Ship losses have less impact the longer you play. For the beginner, the loss of a ship is huge (and frustrating). But, over time you learn to fit your ship better and generate income to buy new ships (or resources to build your own), and eventually the loss of a ship means very little. You just grab another from the hangar, and head back out to fight (after updating your clone of course).

There's safety in numbers. The "asshats" of EVE are surprisingly well organized, and you can't fight them solo. Don't even try. It's an exercise in futility and frustration. Joining a good corp is essential in EVE (IMHO). So, if you're a solo player (and not willing to break that habit), then EVE is probably not a good game for you. For new players, EVE University is a great starting point for learning the game (join them as soon as possible).

EVE is a complex game that rewards patience, persistence and effort. You have to be willing to deal with the learning cliff to be successful. Again, joining a good corp will make this much easier.

Skill points are not the holy grail of EVE. Knowledge and experience have a tendency to trump skill points. Also, skills can only be raised to level 5, so once you've done this for a particular skill, you can be as effective at using that skill as anyone else regardless of how many more skill points they have. You may never catch up to older players, but if you skill your toon correctly, you can be effective against them in a short period of time.

Nothing beats griefer tears. It just warms my heart when I hear the griefers whine in local chat about how you blob'd them, got lucky or whatever. Nothing annoys a griefer more than silence in response to his or her "asshat" tactics. If you play smart and work with like-minded people, you can stick it to these people in a most satisfactory way.

Say what you will about EVE, but no other games offers what it does. It may not be for you, but that really doesn't warrant the bashing here. Yes, there are "asshats" in the game, but there's also a lot of really cool people. You just have to be willing to find them and work together.

Good luck, and fly safe.

Posted: Feb 9th 2010 11:08PM (Unverified) said

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what's this, a logical, matter-of-fact quick view of EVE without over-exaggeration comment on a massively!?


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