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Posted: Feb 7th 2010 10:42PM (Unverified) said

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Linden Lab has kept the forums from being populated through deliberate obscurity. They stopped promoting them. They stopped participating in them. They stopped moderating them. Yet it was odd that Lexie Linden, over the last month, has kept referring "lengthy" discussions out of the Blogrums to those very Forums that are now being closed.

As to the non-scalability of vBulletin, numerous very smart web people have said this is utter nonsense -- the latest versions of vBulletin are very scalable, extendable and support OpenID.

Personally, I think it's more about "channeling" communications into more tightly controlled boxes. I don't think LL is really interested in free and open discussions. The blogs work well as a one-to-many communication device but they (like any blog) are really poor for ongoing discussions.

Posted: Feb 7th 2010 10:49PM (Unverified) said

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Here's an interesting stat from the soon-to-be-closed Forums:

Threads: 280,458, Posts: 2,291,318, Members: 2,772,998

Posted: Feb 7th 2010 11:51PM (Unverified) said

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Typical Linden Lab doublespeak and obfuscation.

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Posted: Feb 8th 2010 2:43AM (Unverified) said

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I agree completely with the previous comments made to this post. vBulletin is extremely scalable, and is in use as the de facto standard for high-traffic forums well beyond what SecondLife.com hosts. So the argument that vBulletin is to blame is just hogwash.

The saddest part of this all, is that there are many highly-useful posts in the old archives which will now be lost once and for all. A lot of history from oldbies discussing (and often resolving) first-generation grid issues.

Posted: Feb 8th 2010 5:50AM (Unverified) said

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I call nonsense on that 700 figure – while I was collecting data for the separate TG forum alone (which I stopped doing two years ago), I counted 1,973 individual posters, peaking with over 250 posting in a given week (see this graph I produced in early 2008 (do links work?): http://katharineberry.co.uk/images/forums/users.png).

Posted: Feb 8th 2010 6:32AM (Unverified) said

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It's quite a dated figure, circa 2007 - but it's the most recent official figure we have.
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Posted: Feb 8th 2010 6:20AM (Unverified) said

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I agree completely with the previous comments made to this post. vBulletin is extremely scalable, and is in use as the de facto standard for high-traffic forums well beyond what SecondLife.com hosts. So the argument that vBulletin is to blame is just hogwash.

Posted: Feb 8th 2010 6:35AM (Unverified) said

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The vast majority of SL residents who log in and play the game every day are not very bright and large blocks of text scare the bejesus out of them. If they even know a forum is out there they will not miss it when it is disappeared by the Lindens in charge of official SL propaganda, to rid the internet of their own record of failure. Most active SL resident want only one thing: pixel sex or the ability to have it without much effort or investment. Remember that if you ever create a virtual world, that's how you make money, sex not forums.

I also hate the iPhone.

PS: Hey Tateru, did you hear that Human Health Care is using Linden technology to "service" families in the US Military? You need to get on this and tell us what to think...

http://www.marketwatch.com/story/humana-military-healthcare-services-launches-online-community-for-military-members-and-their-families-2010-02-04?reflink=MW_news_stmp

Posted: Feb 8th 2010 6:49AM (Unverified) said

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Even if it came from the 1st of January, 2007 it's still way too low, even for the TG; by then I had counted 1,394 posters, 1,045 of whom had made more than one post, and 716 of whom had made at least five. I wonder what that figure is actually counting as "participating."

Posted: Feb 8th 2010 6:50AM (Unverified) said

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And that was supposed to be a reply to Tateru's reply to my above comment, but I lack skill in the use of threaded comment systems, it seems.
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Posted: Feb 8th 2010 7:21AM Lethality said

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Another story that has nothing to do with the "game".

I think this is indicative of just how lagging in popularity SL is. I would doubt if there were even 50,000 active users these days.

I think what they must have meant is that Vbulletin doesn't scale _down_, since it's one of the best high traffic scalable systems out there.





Posted: Feb 8th 2010 7:57AM (Unverified) said

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I believe the Lab may have been referring to its support not scaling, rather than vbulletin itself.

As for active users, the current figure is between about 800,000 and 1.4 million, depending on the exact selection criteria.
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Posted: Feb 8th 2010 8:30AM (Unverified) said

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What "game"? It ain't a game, it's a virtual world. Not an iPhone, neither.
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Posted: Feb 8th 2010 6:23PM (Unverified) said

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Another SL story and a troll comment from Lethality that has nothing to do with "anything"

Lethality, DUDE, we've gotten it for over a YEAR! You don't "get" SL. You don't "like" SL. Yet every time there's a post useful to the average SL user (like this one) you come in all Sarah Palinesque Holier Than Thou and bestow your (useless) opinion amounting to nothing more than slagging off SL. Do you have "Troll Tateru" written on your left hand??????

Scurry back to whatever game board you do play on and spare us the five hundredth "Hey guess what guys, I don't like SL so Massively should stop reporting on it" post.

Don't make me go back and pull out the "Lethality the Troll" post from last year that is still, sadly, appropriate.
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Posted: Feb 8th 2010 7:08PM Lethality said

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I'm not trolling. If I was trolling, I'd follow up with more posts to egg you on. But I try to shed a little insight with my comments and sometimes the fanboys are caught off guard by it.

What I post is the truth.

I'm still not sure why Massively continues to cover this.



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Posted: Feb 8th 2010 7:17PM (Unverified) said

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Massively's explained its position on a number of occasions. I'm not sure what more we can do.
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Posted: Feb 8th 2010 1:54PM (Unverified) said

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People read the forums who don't participate, a few have actually made comments this last week to say that.

Not migrating the classified forums across is rather churlish to say the least, there's no section for full transfer island sales inworld, which are a rather active part of the current classified forum and new designers benefit from those free listings, again making it harder for new entrants to get a foothold. Extremely short sighted behaviour.

Posted: Feb 8th 2010 5:02PM (Unverified) said

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So how come none of the clarifications and truths stated in the comments are present in the article? This is how Massively works?

Posted: Feb 8th 2010 10:37PM (Unverified) said

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@Ann Otoole

The Herald (or, whatever it's called these days) would never, ever fail to mention facts. And, I think that may be the reason why Otoole would associate with that fine institution. But, if I ever see her clothes showcased on SCD I will know for sure that something ain't right.
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Posted: Feb 8th 2010 10:11PM (Unverified) said

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So, so sad they are going - found the forums so useful - and that 700 figure is so false. The blogs seem so user-unfriendly in comparison, the Lab seems determined to use blogs for things they are not best for!

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