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Posted: Feb 4th 2010 7:49PM karnisov said

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ok well. still cheesy. lol.
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Posted: Feb 4th 2010 9:31PM (Unverified) said

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Okay, they're Federation Klingons. How much development time do you think that cost them? Does it really cost $3 to unlock their use for the Federation?

Im not arguing that $3 is some exorbitant amount of money, I argue that it is exorbitant for unlocking content for one faction that is already coded for another.
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Posted: Feb 8th 2010 9:15AM Snichy said

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This is an important detail. The new races which we have to pay for cost Cryptic absolutely no more money to create than the standard races, and yet they are charging for them. They could easily just include them in the game but they actually want you to pay for them...!

As if you needed any more convincing, this proves that the companies intent is to make as much money as possible at the expense of goodwill and customer satisfaction - a long and dangerous road....!
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Posted: Feb 4th 2010 7:15PM (Unverified) said

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The most important thing you can do, which is something you already did is vote with your pocketbook. Plain and simple. Thanks for being so open about it. I think that goes for all products in general, but even more so with MMO's

Posted: Feb 4th 2010 7:17PM (Unverified) said

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I always get a kick out of how gamers think that sites like massively have some sort of "in" with game developers. I know the guy in charge of the DJ Hero project through a coworker (his mom), and after reading a Kotaku piece on him I asked him who interviewed him. His response "Whats Kotaku?". Do you think for some reason that Cryptic has some sort of ambassador with an office at Massively? Most of the information gaming sites get comes from a marketing group that may or may not be associated with the company. This group has a list somewhere on a whiteboard etc that says what information nuggets to release when. They usually also have a list of items that they "leak" to further increase fervor for the upcoming project.
Do you have any idea how many gaming blogs, especially MMO related ones, there are? The cost of even bribing a percentage of them would pretty much sink anyone but blizzard.
I sometimes wonder if it is the same people that think the "Gov'ment" is made up of an mysterious and ancient cult.
Protip: The Government is YOU and game sites get paid by ad revenue.

I always get ranty around 4pm for some reason, maybe the adderoll wearing off

Posted: Feb 4th 2010 7:17PM ultimateq said

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So um... How much did Cryptic pay you for this lengthy plug of both of their games? I mean it's soooo obvious they pay you.

(I'm joking, and I think it's hilariously absurd as well) (I Promise, I'm joking!!)

Good article, this was one of the few longer articles that I actually sat down to read. Because I am actually a little bit upset over Cryptic's handling of ST:O, and I am the overly optimistic type. For me to become disappointed in such a way is a very rare thing, but they managed to pull it off.

I'm not overly disappointed. But certainly disappointed enough that I don't really care to play the game. Given that I am a pretty large trekky, and am very easy to please, they really messed it up.

The micro transaction system to nickle and dime the community seems morally wrong to me. I don't think you should be able to buy anything except a cool paint job with flames for your starship. But putting on content (races) seems like a cheap trick to get more money from people.

The space combat isn't bad by any means, but it's not what I was hoping for in ST:O. My dream was to have a group of people running a single starship, that is unrealistic, so I was hoping for (at the very least) bridge commander style bridge combat.

The hotwheels sized (small) starship combat feels like a mario kart balloon battle with shields. I'm not going to say it's poorly designed, or that it's not fun; It would work fine in any other game, but it just does not work for a star trek title. I was really let down by it.

On the other hand; The ground combat is excellent, and exactly what I was expecting.

Posted: Feb 4th 2010 7:19PM (Unverified) said

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Games that have limited time Lifetime subs should be treated with suspicion especially when you can only get that offer before the game launch. Once companies get their money, they have almost zero reason to keep content in the "free" patches. It scares me that Cryptic is on book for the next DnD game. What is Atari thinking?

Posted: Feb 4th 2010 7:23PM (Unverified) said

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Good on you, Sera. Voting with your wallet. I hope others follow suit. These MMO companies aren't like like "The Electric Company" Pre-deregulation, its like a convenience store. If ya don't like what they're selling, shop elsewhere.

Posted: Feb 4th 2010 8:21PM Samael said

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A much better article Sera. Ever since you started writing about CO in the AA section, everything just felt like you were frothing with love for Cryptic and nothing could change that. And you hit the nail as to why the people are angry with the company.

And I have said from the start that content is one of the biggest problems with this game. It has been from the start. The people who gave money up-front, did so in good faith that they will patch the game and give out content slowly but surely.

I really wonder where the money went. I mean they had to know that when STO starts they will be getting a load of cash infusion, that way why take money from CO and give it to STO. Now the money that has come in from STO, is that going to be invested in CO? Will we see improvements? Or as someone in the thread put it, Cryptic is in the business of making a McMMO. But these practices won't make them last long.

Lastly, thanks for the article, when I asked you on the forums what you thought of the recent doings of Cryptic, I did not think you would answer.

Posted: Feb 4th 2010 8:33PM elocke said

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Well said, I'm glad this is finally seeing some spotlight, however...I feel compelled to ask if we could see similar articles on other companies, heck even ones that maybe say, "hey, good job, keep making good games" i.e. Turbine *cough* and Blizzard*cough*, besides ones that might bring a company to start rethinking its business model - like Cryptic, EA or Funcom.

Posted: Feb 4th 2010 8:39PM (Unverified) said

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Cryptic is a horrible company. Plain and simple. They are way overcharging for products that come far from living up to the value. I'm glad I haven't given them any of my money, and I rank them right up there with NCsoft, perhaps even worse than NCsoft now.

They are triple dipping into our wallets. Box cost, monthly fee's, and microtransactions. They do a money-grab lifetime subscription and create false limited quantities. They do pre-release previews (they like to pretend are beta's) and then change things at launch. They are doing everything wrong.

Blizzard gives you a ton of content and keep releasing new content for your monthly fee. Cryptic expects you to both pay a monthly fee and pay for the new content.

I think we are seeing a lot of people fed up. Cryptic is going to end up crashing. It's coming. Their failure as a company is written on the wall. If they drop the monthly fee's, they will piss off those who did lifetime subscriptions. Although I don't think they'd care all that much. If they drop the store, they'll piss off those who bought the items. If they give away the game, they'll piss off those who bought the box. Any way you look at it, they are going to piss off current customers and people will keep complaining about their products, their sub-par products.

I think a game like APB is going to have huge success, because they aren't being greedy like Cryptic is. We keep seeing companies that are trying to do the monthly fee fail, the market is too saturated, and Cryptic is going to fail huge. It's going to be glorious, because they will be getting exactly what they deserve. And it's their customers who are getting ripped off. If I was a Cryptic employee, I'd be jumping off that fail ship, it's yet another Flagship. Kudos Bill Roper on doing it again.

Posted: Feb 4th 2010 9:16PM jpo said

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It seems to me that DDO has similar micro-transactions with CO....except CO also charges a monthly fee.

That....to me...is the issue with micro-transactions. I will not play a game that asks that I pay both.

Posted: Feb 4th 2010 9:44PM Its Utakata stupid said

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I don't remember speaking for anyone when I said that. I am merely pointing out in being critical of someone else, in this case the writers of Massivley articles, we should not put ourselves in a position of flinging baseless accusations against them. Because it makes our critique look weak to start with.Though peeps are free to throw baseless accusations against them if they want...but it becomes a credibility issue. If they're fine with that, then more power to them. Just don't acuse me of being your mom, if I disagree with them. Just saying.

Posted: Feb 4th 2010 9:49PM Its Utakata stupid said

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Oh dear...how did my reply end up over here? No, I'm not on drugs...this was meant for datashade's reply to my entry waaaaaaaaaay back over on page 2. Sorry for the confusion.
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Posted: Feb 4th 2010 10:22PM (Unverified) said

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Sera,

I'm sure you are a nice decent person.

That said, I find your penchant to dramatize your involvement in these issues to make me not want to read massively.com anymore.

It's amateurish and self-agrandizing.

Posted: Feb 4th 2010 11:34PM (Unverified) said

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Have you read a single Champions Online article on massively this week? Sera's been getting ran thru the meat grinder in every article's comments.

To address all of the baseless, callow comments flung her way in the last little while at the beginning of the article was fitting, in my humble opinion. Addressing that snowballing Nerdrage from the outset was the way to go. You'd have called her a tool for not addressing it.

Second, Anti-Aliased is an opinion column, from my experiences. Feel free to correct me if I'm off base here. Guess who is at the center of your own opinion?

No, I'm not going to spell it out for you.
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Posted: Feb 4th 2010 11:12PM (Unverified) said

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Cryptic in a nutshell is a mediocre company that releases mediocre games. There are things about Champions Online and Star Trek Online that you will look at and think wow that's really awesome, but then you see the rest of the games and realize there isn't much to them. Each game Cryptic releases is basically the same as the last with a few modifications and without enough content or QA testing. Their public relations and communications are usually poor and over time they are just alienating the player base for many different reasons.

I used to play City of Heroes and always thought it was a decent game, but in the old days it became boring fairly quickly. Champions Online seemed fun at first, but the lack of content and insane bugs made it ridiculous. I'm a huge Star Trek fan and if this was two years ago I would be putting STO on top of my list of future MMO games to play. Now after my experiences with Cryptic I have little reason to touch the game or get into another situation like Champions where the game is lacking and Cryptic is charging for everything in a clearly unfinished game. They just give the appearance of a company that wants to shovel games out the door and see how much money that can get out of all the suckers willing to pay. Cryptic should really take the time to innovate and release a polished game where there is enough content to start, regular mini-updates, and clear lines of communication, but I don't think they are capable of doing all those things.

Posted: Feb 6th 2010 4:24PM (Unverified) said

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Well said. That's exactly why I don't play CoH or STO, and I was really looking forward to both. I trialed CoH and didn't make it past the second mission - the vaunted character creator was teh suck for me, I hate the cartoony style, and the instant they told me "go kill 3 of these and come back" I said night-night, time to go find a game where I can have fun.

STO looks better, but still - it's Cryptic, and that means wait a year or until the game is bought by some other publisher.

In fact, maybe that's Cryptic's modus operandi. Buy a popular concept or IP, use their engine to make a quick, cheap game for it, take the money for the box sales and initial subs, and exit by selling the game to another publisher very quickly. Mo' money, mo' money tactics with us gamers paying the tab.
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Posted: Feb 5th 2010 12:25AM Anatidae said

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Thanks Sera. Nice work. Best of all, I feel it serves as a beginning stage to make Cryptic spin into damage control. Hopefully this will get picked up by other blogs and news sites too and spread around some.

I get overly emotional when companies like Cryptic act like jerks. I get that we all want to make money when we work. The US is now a country of corporate greed and the few companies that seek to make profit with morals are few (but they do exist at least).

What gets me is that Cryptic is displaying a very low level of morality. Someone said "white collar crime" in another post. Obviously they are not doing anything illegal, but I do feel taken advantage of.

Cryptic turned me into a HUGE fan and someone who dropped $200 on Champions the day the lifetime came out to someone who has actively recommended to all my gamer friends to avoid Star Trek Online. It is but a small drop, but I know that I have influenced 22 people to pass on the game completely based on my reviews to them. Granted that is nothing out of the hundreds of thousands of sales - but I feel like it is a good ratio. If they lost 1000 other fans like me who did even half the same damage, then they lost 10k customers.

And I hope it continues. Not because I actually want the games to fail. I really want someone to take charge of Champions and make it into the game it could be. But until the CEOs and investors start to worry about their pocket books in a serious way, nothing will change.

It is like watching a really bad movie with a great premise. How do people make such bad movies on a good idea? It isn't like you don't watch the darn thing through the movie making process ten thousand times. Same with really bad MMO decisions. On what planet do they think removing races in beta to drop them back in or selling for minor content updates are going to fly when the game is so weak as is?

Posted: Feb 5th 2010 1:38AM (Unverified) said

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I must admit that before STO i had never been to Massively, but i visit the site several times a day now because there are interesting articles about STO, i would hate for the writers to get discouraged just because some commenters can't stop whining about Cryptic. I realise things arent too well with Champions Online (i played the beta, i am surprised it took people this long to realise the game had no content), but it annoys me if people are taking these frustrations and trying to hurt my enjoyment of a game that is actually good, STO.

I cannot say for certain that things wont be the same for STO in 6 months, but at the speed at which they are fixing the bugs in this game i am hopeful for the future and for now i just enjoy playing the game.

If you dont like the way CO is going unsubscribe or go to their official board instead of making things miserable for others, and let the Massively staff write about what they want.

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