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Posted: Feb 3rd 2010 8:03PM wonderwyrm said

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Smells fishy to me, coincidence?

Posted: Feb 4th 2010 4:32AM MewmewGrrl said

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I don't know if it's fishy. Maybe they just want someone to blame. A lot of time some figure head will step down and take blame for a decision that wasn't really theirs. These nickel and dime policies of Cryptic's are a choice of the bigger company, not this one person. Their money grubbing is getting to everybody. Champions isn't even a finished game, it still needs a lot of work, but instead of finishing it up for those of us that paid and continue to pay for it, they release zones you have to pay them to play in. It's like finish up the game you promised us first, give us more content that the game needs, don't try to squeeze more money out of us and sell us zones when you haven't even given us what you promised for our initial purchase.


Cryptic is one of the worst when it comes to this, and unfortunately they are trying to do the same thing with Star Trek Online. Their stupid C-Store (real money purchases for a game we pay full monthly price for that isn't finished even to start with even tho we paid for a finished game) is going to flush their company and games right down the toilet. Something needs to change, and maybe they can try to fire someone and think it helps build confidence and blame that person for the decisions. But it wasn't that person. Like mentioned, they have started down the same path with Star Trek Online, and this person fired had nothing to do with STO. It's just their companies money grubbing ways...
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Posted: Feb 3rd 2010 8:04PM (Unverified) said

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Good luck Daeke! It couldn't have been fun dealing with all the crap from Cryptic's mismanagement of Champions.

Posted: Feb 3rd 2010 8:12PM SiML said

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Scapegoat!.

I'm sure the Champions-Online community does not blame you and wishes you all the best for the future. Best of luck David.

Posted: Feb 3rd 2010 8:22PM Anatidae said

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That would totally suck if he was fired for telling the truth.

Hey Massively, here is a chance for some journalism! Call the guy up and get an interview. Lets hear the dirt on Cryptic! Ask some nice probing questions on what he thinks about Cryptic.

I would like to hear from someone who might be honest about their opinion on the ongoing development of Champions. The feeling from release and the impact of the C-Store on development. I would like to hear his take on the internal decision to charge for a rather tiny expansion that, traditionally, other MMO developers release for free between major expansions.

Oh so much! Get an interview!!!

Posted: Feb 3rd 2010 8:43PM Seraphina Brennan said

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Look Brian, I'm going to let you in on a little secret here.

A few of us at Massively know Daeke. We talk with him. He's a nice guy, but he doesn't want to talk about this right now. And who would, right? He lost his job. Think about that. He needs some room, and while it may make us "good journalists" (which is questionable in and of itself) to push him into an interview, it doesn't make us good people. Not at all.

Beyond that, there are probably many things that he is legally bound not to talk about -- especially business practices. The type of information you're seeking is the type of information that very few would give out, as it could lead to a suit.

If Daeke wanted to do the interview, that would be different, but he does not. We deeply respect that.

We wish Daeke all of the best and I personally hope that I see him in another CM chair soon.

~Sera
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Posted: Feb 3rd 2010 9:12PM DevilSei said

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Inter, that is rather rude than anything.

It is actually a legal issue, if it wasn't a company could be black-mailed into not firing someone by that very person.

Perhaps its a simple coincidence, and Daeke, whose most likely had to deal with the fanbase going apesh** over what he had to say, then lose his job (or quit, who knows) doesn't feel like dealing with this stuff.

Or maybe he does know, and after having to say it, quit, or after revealing it was fired (though the latter is most likely not the case, since Cryptic could just play ban-happy and close and remove the topics).

Either way, there are legal and/or emotional repercussions to this. Someone lost his job, especially just after a controversial announcement by him was made.
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Posted: Feb 3rd 2010 9:25PM Anatidae said

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Sera,

yes, loosing your job sucks. It sounds as though you did ask for an interview and he declined? I don't know how much journalists should push. I think there is a fine line between being a human and also pushing for the truth.

Of course, it is all a matter of scope. I wish that journalists covering the US government would push WAY harder for the truth and start digging on the constant outright lies of our politicians (lies that can be proven using 2 video clips!)

In our small MMO world, pushing on some poor guy probably isn't worth it. Still, I hope it is not from a place where you don't want to upset the Cryptic advertisement revenue. But I doubt that.

Still, Cryptic needs some serious humbling. At least enough to wake up the execs there to realize what **** they are.

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Posted: Feb 3rd 2010 9:25PM (Unverified) said

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It's not a question of being "in bed" with Cryptic. It's that a lot of gaming journalists are gamers, and the people who work at prominent development studios are kind of like heroes to them. Hell, there are probably no more than a dozen "game journalists" who aren't also aspiring game designers, so the idea of burning a bridge by might be a contact! an in! resent them, or even just making that friend *uncomfortable* is deeply disturbing.

And I'm sure, Sera, that in your professional dealings with Daeke, he's been a nice guy; *that was his job,* he was a PR guy.

And if you, or these unnamed "few of us" had *personal* dealings with Daeke, then you people should have been adding a disclaimer to every interview and article on Cryptic saying "we play Left4Dead co-op with Cryptic's PR department every Tuesday." I'm not sure what your definition of "good journalist" is, but if it includes "conflicts of interest" I'm confident in saying that your definition is wrong.
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Posted: Feb 3rd 2010 9:31PM DevilSei said

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Well, considering they said they do actually talk to Daeke outside of just interviews and the like, I'd say they have a bit more lee-way in asking him questions than any other person.

And the main thing Cryptic needs, is a complete re-structuring and reboot, with the first step being removing Bill Roper from the industry in general.
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Posted: Feb 3rd 2010 9:45PM Anatidae said

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I just want Cryptic to answer for their actions. They don't respond to customers, that is for sure. They spit out news blurbs that get recycled on sites like this and they sometimes do interviews - but sadly many times game reporters don't ask the hard questions. Or maybe they do and they just get ignored.

I think Datashade has somewhat of a point. It probably won't help if you burn your bridges with Cryptic both from a personal level and on the off chance that they make a 3rd MMO and you want beta access.

Regardless, it does not change the fact that I wish us MMO customers had our hero. A powerful media organization that had the desire to shed light on the shady dealings within the MMO industry for the betterment of all. In the case of Cryptic, almost everyone is finding great "WTF" moments. I'd love to see an interview with Roper on all that.

But then, I also don't think Massively has the clout to get all the interviews, much less ask the hard questions. I have no idea on what your reporting does to affect the purchase of MMOs.
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Posted: Feb 3rd 2010 10:47PM GRT said

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The gaming world is pretty small. If Daeke gave the interview you want him to give, he could pretty much write off any hope of getting another job in gaming.
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Posted: Feb 4th 2010 3:57AM ZenJitsu said

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What GRT said.

That goes for general business to an extent as well. If you want to stay in your current industry, you don't want to be speaking ill of your old employer. Whistle-blowing is one thing, but indiscretion is not something you want on your résumé.

I'm curious as well, but as long as neither party speaks up, it's a mutually beneficial arrangement for them.
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Posted: Feb 4th 2010 4:40AM Its Utakata stupid said

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If Massively are going to investigate journalistically over this, they will unable to be able use Daeke as a source what-so-ever, Brian. Even if Daeke became a "Deep Throat" it would be too obviouse to his former employers. And they would create a far bigger hassle for him than the one of waking up to no job currently. So you're going to have to get the dirt on Cryptic elsewhere.

One thing though, the only mitigation for him saying anything if he decides to take Cryptic to court for wrongful dismissel. Though it would be specific to his case against Cryptic...not how Cryptic treats their consumers. So you might not even get much out of it if he does. And of coarse, Daeke just might of told where Roper where to shove it and quit. To which you wont get any info on that unless some else in the company comes forward anonymously.

So in short, give it up. And focus on the dirt Cryptic is dishing out to their players instead. That's more important than this.
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Posted: Feb 4th 2010 9:42AM (Unverified) said

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@GRT/Zen/Utakata
It's not that hard to type "according to other sources at Cryptic" and then print some non-NDA-breaking stuff.

It's not that hard to have an interview and record and print everything - even the "I can't answer that" responses.

And hey, maybe pushing through the discomfort of due diligence will teach "gaming journalists" not to be *friends* with the PR flacks from companies they have to report objectively on, no matter how nice those guys might be.


Christ, if I wanted incestuous glad-handing, favor-currying, and/or rumor-mongering, I'd have picked politics as my hobby, not gaming.
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Posted: Feb 3rd 2010 8:30PM (Unverified) said

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I think he recognizes a sinking Titanic when he sees one.

Too bad he went abroad anyway.

But it doesn't matter now. He's left. Better late than never I think.

Regarding his spill: If it were his own bad judgment to spill the fact so that people don't get disappointed down the line (he meant well, I mean), and not the order of the higher-ups (the order to tell the community such thing ASAP, I mean), then he deserved to get fired. After all, this kind of thing is sure to stir up such community and a community manager should know how to break it gently.

That's how I see it anyway.

Posted: Feb 3rd 2010 9:18PM DevilSei said

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Cach, how could you possibly break this piece of news to them "gently"


"Hey... yeah, you remember that one zone we promised for free with that big update to fix that other zone's lag? Yeah... well, I know we couldn't fix the lag, and have made things much worse, but we have good news!
Wait for it...
Wait...
We are holding back the zone, so you can pay for the small piece of in-dire-need-of, almost-necessary end-game content that will just last an hour or two, for an undisclosed price to be bought with our convoluted point system! Yaaaaaay...."
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Posted: Feb 3rd 2010 9:30PM (Unverified) said

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@devil

Sigh, I don't know either. I do feel, however, that it's a bit too early to break such news to the community. I mean, the detail isn't quite clear just yet. We don't even know what we're getting with this xpac or if that's the whole thing. People might react differently if the content worths paying for or if they knew about this fact closer to release date.

Hell, at that point, Cryptic might have had some other *free* content patches planned (yes I'm stretching it but you never know) which would be released BEFORE the xpac. But by breaking such news, nobody is going to care/wait for the content because they already got upset and left.

This is me being in a reasonable mood here by the way... I'm far from being Cryptic BFB in case you wonder. (Proof: I have neither CO nor STO)
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Posted: Feb 4th 2010 9:15AM (Unverified) said

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@devil
Well, if I remember correctly, Roper's post and Daeke's followup were the first news we'd heard about the "2010 legendary update" in quite some time. As soon as the company (or their Atari overlords) decided Vibora Bay was going to be Vibora Pay, Daeke should have hit the forums with "We'll have more news later, but we wanted to let you guys know: some of the content we release in 2010 will be a paid expansion, although not along the lines of 'new game' retail price."
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Posted: Feb 3rd 2010 8:31PM Cinnamoon said

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Could Cryptic POSSIBLY do anything to make themselves even more UNPOPULAR?

At this point, setting fire to puppies might actually be a step up for them.

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