It's an awkward time for Champions Online. After the last State of the Game post by Chronomancer, things were looking up. The latest patch was slated to fix Lemuria (colloquially known as Lagmuria, due to the extreme system hiccups), add more power to various power frameworks, nemesis changes, the addition of team looting, and changes to the crafting system. Furthermore, the same State of the Game post announced that Champions would be getting its first expansion -- Vibora Bay.
However, with the deployment of the "kitchen sink" patch, most gamers have experienced more lag in all zones, some characters are locked in Lemuria, unable to log in, and there are issues with the crafting systems. If all of that wasn't bad enough, Cryptic Daeke has confirmed that Vibora Bay will be a "paid expansion" which will add more content for levels 37 to 40 -- a move which has sent many members of the community into what can only be described as "a frothing rage."
Logging into the game revealed a wave of emotion going across the zone chat channel in Millenium City, with many players complaining about poor performance, rubber banding, and "server not responding" messages in all zones. Crafting systems are also taking a hit as well, as apparently crafting tables are consuming materials but are not outputting any crafted items. If you're a player who was thinking about doing a little crafting work, the word on the street seems to be "Don't, just don't."
Meanwhile, discussion of Vibora Bay has now dominated the forums. While some players look to the addition of content as a good thing, a clear majority of players are displeased with how Cryptic is handling the new addition.
Turning Vibora Bay into a piece of paid content seems to be the fuel that keeps this fire going. Players who possess lifetime subscriptions aren't happy that they have to pay for what looks to be a content patch of level 37-40 material, while the general population doesn't want to pay for a piece of content that's being released just a few months out from the game's launch.
However, there are others who are asking for the community to be patient and find out exactly what Vibora Bay holds for players before passing judgement on the new "expansion." It is also worthy to note that Cryptic has not released a price point on Vibora Bay yet, although Daeke has said that Vibora Bay is a single zone and will be "priced accordingly."
All of this discussion on updates has also re-ignited a discussion on the C-Store, as Cryptic's microtransaction shop hasn't seen any updates in a while. Daeke has confirmed that more items will be added to the C-Store, however this too has lead some players to believe that the only updates they may see will be in the form of paid content and not free patches.
All in all, it's troubling times for Champions Online. Cryptic developers are looking into clearing up the issues caused with the latest patch, and there's still more information coming on how much Vibora Bay will be adding to the game, so here's to looking to the future.
We've contacted Cryptic Studios for a statement, and will issue an update once we hear from them.
[Thanks to everyone who sent in a tip on this!]
Reader Comments (104)
Posted: Jan 27th 2010 7:21PM (Unverified) said
The suckered me with CO and sad to see that drama continues after I left. They won't get me into STO don't care if it gets rave reviews. I don't know what Roper has to do with all this, but after the crap dropped on HGL when he was around it smells like Roper should probably find another career.
Posted: Jan 27th 2010 7:33PM (Unverified) said
Yo Bill Roper, I'm really happy for you and imma let you finish, but Cryptic is the worst MMO studio of all time!
Posted: Jan 27th 2010 7:27PM PlasticSpork said
"add more content for levels 47 to 50"
Man, I HATE content that no one can play. :)
Man, I HATE content that no one can play. :)
Posted: Jan 27th 2010 7:28PM CCon99 said
I would like to see how the "anything we sell can be earned in game" excuse works with this zone they're selling.
People have to just take a stand against Cryptic and Atari and their nickle and dime schemes. If this zone you have to purchase (it's hardly an expansion) fails miserably where nobody buys it, they'll be forced to change the way they do business and either offer the zone for free or hold the content and offer a proper expansion pack for sale later down the line. What they're doing now would be perfectly fine in a F2P model, but not in a Subscription Model. I don't blame the Lifetimer's for being ticked at this.
STO players should be concerned with this as well, if this is what they're doing in a dying game like CO. You can imagine what they'll be charging for in their more popular game. Any new species, zones, or factions will likely follow the same model if it doesn't blow up in their face.
People have to just take a stand against Cryptic and Atari and their nickle and dime schemes. If this zone you have to purchase (it's hardly an expansion) fails miserably where nobody buys it, they'll be forced to change the way they do business and either offer the zone for free or hold the content and offer a proper expansion pack for sale later down the line. What they're doing now would be perfectly fine in a F2P model, but not in a Subscription Model. I don't blame the Lifetimer's for being ticked at this.
STO players should be concerned with this as well, if this is what they're doing in a dying game like CO. You can imagine what they'll be charging for in their more popular game. Any new species, zones, or factions will likely follow the same model if it doesn't blow up in their face.
Posted: Jan 27th 2010 7:39PM Dblade said
I've noticed the poor server performance today, but didn't know about the crafting. Thanks for the head's up.
I have to agree that making a paid expansion this early in the games lifecycle is a real piece of work. Especially since one of the major failings is that Champions has no real endgame content, and Viborra Bay will address that. I can't understand why they are engaging in such poor business sense designed to drive away customers. I can see a paid expansion if it is on the level of a retail box set, but this is something other games just roll out.
I have to agree that making a paid expansion this early in the games lifecycle is a real piece of work. Especially since one of the major failings is that Champions has no real endgame content, and Viborra Bay will address that. I can't understand why they are engaging in such poor business sense designed to drive away customers. I can see a paid expansion if it is on the level of a retail box set, but this is something other games just roll out.
Posted: Jan 27th 2010 7:48PM (Unverified) said
i just hope you guys all dont think that STO will be any different. im glad i was given a refund on my sub after the first month, and now realize why microsoft said no about letting this garbage happen on the xbox. this is shady and underhanded buisness,
Posted: Jan 27th 2010 7:53PM DrRumpy said
Say it with me:
"Flagshipped".
"Flagshipped".
Posted: Jan 27th 2010 7:54PM Strumiker said
now if only people would take this empty passion about hating mmo's they don't like and put it somewhere useful.
naysayers are a dime a dozen.
naysayers are a dime a dozen.
Posted: Jan 28th 2010 11:00PM DrRumpy said
Naysayers are a dime a dozen? How about sycophantic fan bois are a baker's dozen.
I'll see your empty passion accusation and raise you a dedicated MMO consumer who got f'n fleeced by Cryptic because he stupidly purchased CO.
Love and hate is a fine line, Friend-o.
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I'll see your empty passion accusation and raise you a dedicated MMO consumer who got f'n fleeced by Cryptic because he stupidly purchased CO.
Love and hate is a fine line, Friend-o.
Posted: Jan 27th 2010 7:57PM DevilSei said
God... glad I saw this BS coming a mile away...
So far Cryptic's handling of their games in general have been far beyond acceptable. I bet even SoE is jealous that they didn't think of making people pay just to access end-game content first.
So far Cryptic's handling of their games in general have been far beyond acceptable. I bet even SoE is jealous that they didn't think of making people pay just to access end-game content first.
Posted: Jan 28th 2010 2:20AM (Unverified) said
See "Gates of Discord"
EQ1 is 11 years old and has what? 18 expansions? I think SOE's got the price gouging down pat tbh.
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EQ1 is 11 years old and has what? 18 expansions? I think SOE's got the price gouging down pat tbh.
Posted: Jan 27th 2010 8:01PM (Unverified) said
Ok, guys! Time for a lesson!
This is how to leak Vibora Bay assets and ruin the mystique of the expansion.
1) In the game, type /demo_record and a movie name after, like "movie"
If the interface stutters, you are recording.
2) Type /demo_record_stop
3) Quit the game, then go to the game folder, specifically the demo folder and open the demo file in wordpad.
4) REplace the map path under ZOnename to "/map/vib/vib.zone" which could be wrong, check the patcher manifest for the real name. Whatever, just paste it there!
5) in the command line at the launcher, type "-demoplay" with a space and the name of your edited demo file.
6)launch the game, press F2 when the scene loads, and START LEAKING LIKE AN INCONTINENT OLD MAN!
This is how to leak Vibora Bay assets and ruin the mystique of the expansion.
1) In the game, type /demo_record and a movie name after, like "movie"
If the interface stutters, you are recording.
2) Type /demo_record_stop
3) Quit the game, then go to the game folder, specifically the demo folder and open the demo file in wordpad.
4) REplace the map path under ZOnename to "/map/vib/vib.zone" which could be wrong, check the patcher manifest for the real name. Whatever, just paste it there!
5) in the command line at the launcher, type "-demoplay" with a space and the name of your edited demo file.
6)launch the game, press F2 when the scene loads, and START LEAKING LIKE AN INCONTINENT OLD MAN!
Posted: Jan 27th 2010 8:29PM xero8p said
I'm starting a pool on what month within the next 1-2 years the servers are shut down on this POS (and I was stupid enough to buy a lifetime subscription so yes I can complain)
Posted: Jan 27th 2010 8:37PM (Unverified) said
When Cryptic did the CO pre-release, limited-quantity, life-time subscription money grab, I knew this was just the start of bad things to come. Glad to see I was right and stayed far away from any Cryptic products. Hope they put themselves out of business.
Posted: Jan 27th 2010 9:07PM Strumiker said
And you had to put nothing on the line to do that! I would never wish them out of business, unless it was a sweat shop of course :P These companies are small beans, just trying to make money. Leave them be if their game isn't to your liking. It's just entertainment.
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Posted: Jan 27th 2010 9:13PM (Unverified) said
Cryptic has replaced SOE as my most hated MMO company.
And that is saying something.
And that is saying something.
Posted: Jan 27th 2010 9:15PM (Unverified) said
I think it's hilarious how many of you are blaming Cryptic for these snafu's and not their piss poor, constantly sued and incompetent corporate overlords at Atari.
See: Dungeon's and Dragons Online, which only now is profitable because Turbine took over and fixed it.
See: Dungeon's and Dragons Online, which only now is profitable because Turbine took over and fixed it.
Posted: Jan 27th 2010 9:20PM Tizmah said
Can we start up a Bill Roper curse now? :)
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