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Posted: Jan 26th 2010 11:10AM Daverator said

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A definition of "Wow Tourist" would be helpful I play end game WoW, have several champions online max chars, and follow Wow.com Massively and Joystiq and Have never heard the term used.

And I very much disagree with the linked blog, whenever ANY new MMO is announced I hear about it constantly in guild chat.

Posted: Jan 26th 2010 11:11AM Joshua Przygocki said

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I was kinda a tourist in WoW, going back from time to time, giving Blizzard a bit more of my money.

Posted: Jan 26th 2010 11:20AM (Unverified) said

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WoW tourist, as I have heard it used, is someone that jumps into a new mmo that comes out hoping to find something different and hopefully better than the behemoth. After a week or two realization sets in that most new games are just crappier versions of WoW so they go back "home". WoW tourists were commonly blamed for the huge opening and then rapidly dwindling numbers of age of conan players. Just like the US is commonly blamed for all the worlds woe's in Europe, the biggest dog on the street is usually also the biggest target.

Posted: Jan 26th 2010 11:26AM ployer said

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I am definitely one of the people you describe. Currently I have 11 level 80 characters in WoW and I really want something new I can get into. So I try out just about every new MMO that is released. I have found some that are fun such as DDO, Fallen Earth, and CO. But none of these have really just captured me like WoW has. I have been playing the STO and GA betas and I am really liking both of these and have pre-ordered both of them as well. Maybe I will get completely sucked into one these and leave WoW land for awhile
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Posted: Jan 26th 2010 11:28AM Daverator said

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If that is the case, then I agree that WoW Tourist is in fact a fallacy. The reason people join and leave new MMOs is because they want to see if something new and great has come. They play it and realize that it is rubbish, or unfinished.
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Posted: Jan 26th 2010 12:03PM engrey said

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I am not so sure about that Thain.

I would love to have WoW in a different setting, the game is old, the graphics are old, and a lot of the mechanics are broken or always being changed.

I have tried GA, FE, CO, WAR, EvE, and none of those ever felt like sticking to because of the lack of content or variety.

WoW feels like home to many because a lot of people do not want to pay for multiple subscriptions, so people will play the first free month they get, make a judgement about the game and go back to WoW.

People do this because they are invested in their characters, they have levels, gear, progression and content to do. WoW has solid end-game content that no MMO has been able to come out with yet.

Developers are making games in hope that they can patch a lot in over time, but that is just not the case when people want content to do.

I would put blame on the developers and the players, since both are responsible for their actions.
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Posted: Jan 26th 2010 11:29AM (Unverified) said

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It did not help either that the first month in Age of Conan on channels all you heard was basically "WoW sucks, Conan rules" That type of community just turned us "WoW" people to not give the game a chance.

Posted: Jan 26th 2010 11:59AM (Unverified) said

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Are you kidding me? I personally know like 6 people I would consider wow tourists. I saw it in WAR, I started in a guild made up of mostly wow players and most of them, seriously only played the game for 2 weeks tops before they declared "wow better" and quit.

You can argue if it's fair to "blame" the wow tourist for the population busts but to say that they don't exist at all is just wrong. And further it's not fair to put all the blame on the games either, because they aren't all terrible, but for wow addicts nothing is good enough, which is implied in the "wow tourist" label and I think it fits.

Posted: Jan 26th 2010 1:51PM wjowski said

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"And further it's not fair to put all the blame on the games either, because they aren't all terrible, but for wow addicts nothing is good enough, which is implied in the "wow tourist" label and I think it fits."

Actually that's exactly where all the blame belongs. Blaming your customers for your failure is stupid and self-defeating.
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Posted: Jan 26th 2010 3:14PM (Unverified) said

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IF a game lacks all the same content as wow and is indeed not as engaging as wow then people will leave it. That is not the players fault, why should they play a game that does not offer what they want.

We are talking about business here and if you are offering an inferior product for the same price as what is considered the standard product no one will buy it. This is basic, Its not the customers fault for not buying your inferior products its your fault for not making something that is actually competitive.

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Posted: Jan 26th 2010 2:35PM Unverfied B said

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WAR was a shitty product with a lot of hype and advertising (if some of that money was spent on actually making a better game...). It attracted a lot of people, but like any over-hyped shitty product they figured it out after a while and left. REALLY surprising isn't it?

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Posted: Jan 26th 2010 12:24PM Alpha Gamer said

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They definitely exist. I think that they do go back in large because the games they try (usually at launch) are for the most part buggy and unfinished nowadays.

Posted: Jan 26th 2010 12:27PM Pingles said

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I have played about a dozen MMOs since leaving WoW and have subscribed to five or six. I have not gone back to WoW but think about it all the time.

I think I am just comfortable in WoW. I seek that comfort, I think.

Posted: Jan 26th 2010 12:29PM (Unverified) said

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WoW Tourists do exist and are the kind of people who go aboard and complain that they do not have their favourite home cooked meal in the restaurants.

They go into a new game looking for something new but really want WoW in a different setting or skin. They complain endlessly on forums that WoW is better and that anything they do not like in a game is better in WoW and the dev's should change the game to make it just like WoW.

These people are nearly as bad as the people who do not want the game to be anything like WoW - even the parts generally regarded by all as excellent - just because its WoW and only kids play that game.

The sooner people accept the intenet turns people into total retards the better everyone will be.

Posted: Jan 26th 2010 12:34PM (Unverified) said

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I guess you could consider me a retired tourist.

After three or four years of WoW, several level-capped classes, and end-game content complete, I was aching for something new. New community, new content, new anything.

When Warhammer came out I was all over it like white on rice. I didn't just play Warhammer for a few weeks (although that was honestly all it deserved). I played it for a year, making excuse after excuse for what was honestly an over-hyped and seriously undeveloped MMO. Next generation my arse. I could go on and on about how horribly that game was mangled, but after a year I moved on to Aion.

Aion was and is an extremely, stunningly, beautiful game. I loved a whole lot about it. I didn't mind the anime styles, the sounds, etc. The only problem I had with it was the time it took to dedicate to leveling. I work 60+ hours per week and have a life outside of gaming. This did not mesh well with the grind that is Aion. It also did not mesh well with finding a regular core group of players or a guild to play with, and much of the content in Aion required that group.

After putting down Aion, I gave it a few more months and picked up WoW again. I can say now that despite the boredom of before, I am loving and appreciating WoW in ways I was incapable of before. Everything is complete, from beginning to end game. Sure, there are problems here and there, but let me tell you they are nothing, NOTHING, compared to the problems suffered by new releases today.

I will never run out of content, things to do, areas to explore, dungeons to run, items to craft, quests to complete, scenarios, PvP, festivities to particpate in. There is literally 6 real years of content there. Refined content.

Do the graphics look a bit outdated? Sure! Are there still class issues? Sure! But they work. The game runs on any of my computers, no rubber banding, no stutter, no stupid lumbering due to lag. This is now what I appreciate most about WoW. That it is as casual as I need it to be, but still allows me to sit down for a few hours here and there and have fun, to feel like I got somewhere or accomplished something. It is also as advanced as I want it to be.

After much searching and assessment, it is going to take one hell of a game.. a complete game.. to make me leave WoW again.

Posted: Jan 27th 2010 11:34AM (Unverified) said

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Swore off WoW after BC ...then Conan (2 mo, lacked at release) ...then WAR (1 yr, excuses) ...then Aion (2 months, too grindy) .... I just fired up WoW again and rolled anew about a month ago. Can't believe I'm sucked into it again, primarily the PvP aspects.

I like to give every MMO a try, I dont like to compare to WoW at all. But fun is fun and I don't want to pay double subscription fees.
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Posted: Jan 26th 2010 3:02PM Aquaryon said

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Excellent read Amber, I totally and utterly agree with you. I keep trying to find new MMOs to play... and i ALWAYS go back to WoW, even after 5 years. Nothing can compare to WoW. The only other MMO that I am really enjoying is ST:O but not to compete against WoW or anything, its just totally different and alot of fun once the action hits. I will be keep a subscription with both games.
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Posted: Jan 26th 2010 12:35PM (Unverified) said

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Maybe I am wrong here, but reading the article and the comments, then rereading the article, I feel alot of people got it backwards, someone who goes to (for example) warhammer, finds it lackluster, then goes back to wow would be a warhammer tourist wouldn't they? I believe what the article is saying is that most players don't just try wow and then go back to another MMO. but maybe I a misreading something

Posted: Jan 26th 2010 12:59PM LaughingTarget said

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If I were to go to the UK, I would be called an American tourist, not a British tourist. US is my home.

WoW is their home, so someone that leaves WoW for WAR and heads back is a WoW tourist because WoW is home.
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Posted: Jan 26th 2010 12:37PM adamb said

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I have encountered many WoW tourists in both CoH and LOTRs, they often pop up, get to about level 5 and then spam all the chat channels with how bad the game is. The fact is that there are many games that offer many different takes on mmorpg's and alot of them take a large percentage of WoW players out of their 'comfort zone' - which they whine about...
Im just looking forward to month two of secret world when all the WoW tourists have left.

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