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Posted: Jan 25th 2010 6:07PM (Unverified) said

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Mortal Online

Posted: Jan 25th 2010 6:10PM CCon99 said

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Guy A is always right.

Posted: Jan 25th 2010 6:21PM Kalex716 said

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The interesting thing about this is.... If a game is really fun, people are capable of putting up with a copious amount of bugs. Really ugly stuff sometimes.

If people are having a hard time expressing why they don't like a game, and just list a bunch of bugs off as things that are challenging their experience with regards to it being "fun", its not okay to just dismiss their opinion with a "dude, its beta" approach. The discussion has to be furthered a bit to get people to articulate a bit more about why a certain set of features, or aspects of the game just are not quite "there" yet in terms of a users expectations, and why its off putting. People crying about typical bugs is just like, low hanging fruit in my opinion. Its like someone playing a console game for the first time and mentioning how "the controller felt "wonky"". Its a symptom of a bigger problem, but not usually the root of it.

Posted: Jan 26th 2010 10:41AM (Unverified) said

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CoH was like that for me. It was buggy as hell at launch. Lots of rubber banding, downed servers, pedestrians on the streets missing textures, cars drive by with their wheels half a block behind them... really glitchy stuff. But still, I was a superhero punching guys in the face. I'm glad it all came together eventually.
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Posted: Jan 25th 2010 6:21PM BIZKeT said

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I generaly make the 'it's in beta' comments because I have had a crappy day at work and want to see people get rilled up and yell at each other for my entertinament.

I do QA for a game company for a living and our product is currently in beta :)

Posted: Jan 25th 2010 6:25PM (Unverified) said

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>>Just don't get upset when I don't mirror your feelings about a game
And this is why all this exists. Not everyone agrees with each other. People who can't grasp turn into the caricatures that we're accustomed to seeing playing video games.

Posted: Jan 26th 2010 6:23AM Lt Cobalt said

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If the one saying the game is broken etc actually presents a decent argument then it's fine, it doesn't generally turn into a fanboy vs hater scene, but most people are, to be brutally honest to stupid to realise this and just go on a rant about how the game sucks and it's scam etc, in situations where this is all the one talking about the game can do then "it's a beta" is a perfectly valid argument, especially in cases like Mortal Online where it's a REAL beta, not a marketing stunt like Aion.

After a game is released then it's a null point.

Posted: Jan 25th 2010 6:42PM Interitus said

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This is the 4th post on an already slow news day about STO. Do you guys have a quota with Cryptic that you have to meet?

Posted: Jan 25th 2010 8:29PM wjowski said

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I wish you idiots would make up your mind about who Massively is on the take for.
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Posted: Jan 25th 2010 9:38PM ultimateq said

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This has very little to do with ST:O. Sure it may have been sparked by some of the ST:O discussions, but this post had nothing to do with ST:O directly.
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Posted: Jan 26th 2010 7:59AM (Unverified) said

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Don't you see he wrote it leading up to mentioning STO, that was always his plan and his point he just didn't want it to come across that way. He is QQing over STO criticism because hes a big big fanboy. It was obvious to me atleast.
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Posted: Jan 25th 2010 6:45PM (Unverified) said

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Sakura Park

Posted: Jan 25th 2010 6:59PM Randomessa said

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Don't you think Kdolo looks tired?

Posted: Jan 26th 2010 8:02AM (Unverified) said

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Just adding my 20 gallons of stupid :)
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Posted: Jan 25th 2010 7:12PM sandwiches said

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"So let's stop complaining about these two groups and just keep to ourselves."

So, the author suggests that people shouldn't voice their opinion about things they dislike. How about 'no?'

Now, I find it highly ironic that Kyle calls for people to stop talking about the issue in yet ANOTHER article about said issue. Good job.

Posted: Jan 25th 2010 7:13PM (Unverified) said

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Oh, sir, you need to read the whole paragraph.
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Posted: Jan 25th 2010 7:29PM sandwiches said

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If I misread you, then I apologize, but it seems like you're saying that we should ignore people who just love bashing games and diehard fanboys. The problem is that the majority of people don't lie in "between" or "either side, depending," as Biobreak or you stated, respectivelly. While most of us would like to think of ourselves as civil, intelligent, and sensible people, the reality is that the great majority of people (including myself) will only see as sensible or reasonable those who agree with them. We rarely make this distinction conciously or deliberately but those prejudices are still there, whether we'd like to admit it or not.

Now, those extremes that you speak of aren't as well delineated as you'd think, either. Those extremes lie simply outside of what each person considers normal or reasonable and it's as varied as each person. For instance, for me, it's irrelevant how far or close the release of a game is or how long we've been in beta. If you use the defense 'it's beta,' then you've completely missed the very point of being in a beta. To you, it seems like you'd accept the defense in some cases. I wouldn't. Does that put me in your extreme? Possibly. If you accept it, you're on another extreme, in my perspective. So, to summarize: To simply say 'let's ignore those fringe players,' does absolutely no good as for most people that will simply mean ignoring those who disagree with you.
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Posted: Jan 25th 2010 7:29PM (Unverified) said

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i dont understand because both parties (like and dislike) want a great game to play, why would the people who think its already a great game not want it to get even more great? I want it to be a great game no mater how i feel about it in beta but voicing a opinion in those forums is useless.

i have been joking that "it's still beta" voice is paid workers< maybe easier then answering all the coomplaints =D

Posted: Jan 25th 2010 8:33PM (Unverified) said

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I was disappointed in this article. After thinking you might actually make a stance on this issue, instead you just came to the conclusion that people are going to complain...weak.

I think the key about beta complaints is how serious the issue is. For instance, I am in Onlive beta - and although I can't share about that service, I have discovered that my ISP is not reliable enough to run the service consistently during peak hours. I know its just a beta, but it showed me a flaw in my own infrastructure that would prevent me (most likely) from participating in the live version.

However if the issue is something trivial or addressed, then it doesn't really prove much about the game. Then you have to wait and see over time how the game developers adjust to meet the changing MMO landscape.

Posted: Jan 25th 2010 8:48PM Pingles said

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Like the author I am on both sides.

If a game is in Open Beta then a few Quest bugs and world problems are perfectly understandable.

But if there are major parts of the game unfinished (crafting, mounts, etc.) then the game should not be in Open Beta.

All of these games get budgets with Producers in charge of getting things implemented in time.

Open Beta should be for checking how the servers handle loads or how high level PvP works with tons of players.

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