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Posted: Jan 22nd 2010 2:13PM (Unverified) said

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The Internet: where the men are men, the women are men, and the little boys and girls are FBI agents.

Posted: Jan 22nd 2010 2:14PM GenericPerson said

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Is the appropriate to say "Picture or its not true?"

Sorry, just had to do it.

Posted: Jan 22nd 2010 2:19PM (Unverified) said

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MMORPG = Many Men Online Role Playing Girls

Posted: Jan 22nd 2010 2:32PM MewmewGrrl said

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I'm actually interviewing someone for an article on Online Gaming who has been playing games online since 1990, a time where the Internet was all text. We got a little bit into the subject of girl gamers online, as he was somebody that traveled around and met a lot of the people who he played with and talked on the phone with them and such (A thing that I'd say was creepy, but at the time he was the young one, he was 16-17 and most of the other players were College Students at the time).

It turned out most females he'd meet were just that, really females. The reality was that since these early text MUDs existed, REAL girls have been online playing them. That's right, real girls have been online playing since before most nerds who claim we aren't online were even born. So how did it ever come about that anybody would claim that girls don't play online games?

There are a number of reasons, stemming from the frustration from a rise in males playing females (which didn't seem to happen as often back then), to guys that simply do not have much contact with the opposite gender to realize how many girls are playing games, to weirdos that just want to get you to talk to them on the phone or webcam or meet up with them to "prove" you are female (I got that one since I was 9 years old when I first started to play online, and I actually did prove it to many of them, but over the years all that has done was cause many problems for me, and then every time you play a new game, there are a new group of people who ask you to "prove" it, so finally I just stopped caring what others thought, because it really doesn't matter). Then I think some guys are mad that we are here, thinking this is their territory (which it isn't, but they think that way about video games) and just want to call us guys in order to stroke their ego ("Hey if there were girls online I'd be talking to them cause I'm a big stud") or to purposely try to drive us away from what they feel is their world. Some are jealous that the girls are getting attention or talking to others and not them. Really there are a million reasons why a certain type of usually socially awkward male will accuse girls of being male online.

There was a time when I was so young I actually would cry when guys harassed me - and I only was harassed for trying to be myself. I've been a lot happier since I stopped worrying about proving myself, and just thought really what does it matter what they think, it doesn't change who I am (and no offense but 90% of them are people I wouldn't talk to in real, not because I think I'm better than them, but they for one wouldn't dare approach me in real, for two I don't just talk to any random guy that wants to talk, and three a huge percentage of them are just plain rude jerks).

Anyway, I've got more into FaceBook games that I not only can play more with my real friends, but has more girls than guys playing so nobody says the stupid ignorant comments about girls not playing games there.

My interview article is almost done, and there really is a big part about girls playing online too in it. Tho honestly, when guys want to pretend I'm male now, I say "Thank goodness." It gives me a break really. I'm not looking for online gifts, or relationships, or to chat with people I don't know that well or have much in common with (as most girls know, once you do prove yourself, you have a lot of people who feel like chatting just because you're female).

You know, sometimes I'm frustrated with guys that play girls too. But that's no reason to insult every girl gamer out here. Anyway I guess I've ranted enough for now. I can't wait to finish my article tho :D

Posted: Jan 23rd 2010 12:31AM Interitus said

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I completely agree. What is this assumption that all female avatars are always male? I'd say about 1/3 of the of the MMO players I know in real life are female. And in my guild I'd say that up to 1/3 are female, and I'm talking a guild of about 150. And it's not because they use female avatars it's because they're in voice chat. Women are all over MMO's. I think you just need to stop trying so hard to find them.
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Posted: Jan 22nd 2010 4:54PM (Unverified) said

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Do you want me to go into detail of the stereotypes of women who play online games? About how they act? About what they take advantage of? I know you're desperately attempting to seem sensible, but a lot of stereotyping still comes through.

Most guys are not like that. In fact, the biggest problem is not that guys will want to talk just because it's a girl, or give gifts, etc. But that they remain silent, and very subtly, very quietly, give the girl more leeway, more priviliges, and ignore a girls negative aspects so they can become 'friends'. But it's just because she's a girl.

I think a lot of it comes from insecurities in the men involved. They want it to be "their territory" because in the real world, most likely, they've been constantly rejected and perhaps socially abused by girls. I've seen it happen to people, and it's a little sad. They don't feel like their escape is complete if girls are involved, and the same social structures that existed externally - that is, treating girls better just because they're girls in order to gain their favor - takes place, and they feel, from their own experience, that they would be rejected yet again.

Of course, that's just a guess. And everyone's different. Likely some of them are just complete jerks.

On the other hand...I've been accused to being a 'jerk' just because I calmly pointed out the flaws a few girl players had in their playstyle. They freaked out on me, and other players called me a jerk. When, where I to have said the same thing to any male player, they would have admitted the failing, or at least thought about it, or even contradicted me if they thought I was wrong.

I think it's a little sad that you prefer to appear as a male just to avoid dealing with men as yourself. There are other ways of dealing with them, I'm sure. ignoring them. Making fun of them. Returning their gifts with a laugh. Avoiding them. If you need to deny that you're a women - which you don't - then its more your problem, imo. They're idiots, but you're letting them get to you.

As for guys playing girls, only the first poster got it right. Guys play girls, AND girls play guys. I've known both. Hell, I've HAD a few female characters (though everyone knew I was male). It's role-playing. It's a game. We shouldn't force people into different characters if they don't' want to be. Let them be a girl, let them pretend to be a girl. Let them be a guy, let them pretend to be a guy. As long as it's what you feel like doing, whatever. (so long as they're not doing it to escape interaction...).

And to be honest the majority of the people I talked to online, back when I played Wow, were RL girls, and "proved it" over voice chat, even though there was no requirement for them to...I dunno. Of course, we all know there are no girls on the internet. That's a given. So I can't really deny the claim, despite what you claim your interview has found. It's just a fact, there are no girls on the internet....I mean, how do we know you aren't really a guy? Mewmew is a name I'd choose if I wanted to pretend to be a girl. I think you should prove it.
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Posted: Jan 22nd 2010 11:59PM Suplyndmnd said

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@Maika

Nailed it 100%. I'm a guy who plays both male and female characters. I have people who rib me about it and I tell them "It's a RPG. I'm playing a role, in a game. Pointing out that i'm not actually a woman is like me pointing out that you cant really cast spells". They all say "oh, yeah, true". The way that I see it is that if someone says they are a female, i just assume they are. If they're not, oh well that's fine. I don't care one way or the other but that's because i'll typically treat them equal. Females i tend to help a little bit more not to try to be closer to them but I know that some guys may not help them just because they feel they're just trying to use them. It can go both ways when a woman really is playing a game. The women i've been friends with try to turn down most help because they know that if they accept it the guy has added fine print that she suddenly owes him a "favor" of some sorts.

The only thing that pisses me off is the women who really suck at the game but flirt their way through it by getting runs and gear because they are simply female. That is the ones that give women bad names in MMO's. Because i know far more women who have busted their asses to get their gear and through some epic missions on FFXI only to not have as good of stuff as someone who flirts.
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Posted: Jan 22nd 2010 3:41PM breezer said

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Even if it is a real girl, why did she decide to "cuddle" with your friend?

Forgive me if it's sexist to say, but that kind of behavior from girls really drives me nuts; acting all coquettish and over-the-top flirtatious. Just seems really immature, manipulative and skanky.

Posted: Jan 23rd 2010 12:51PM Marix said

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Gotta agree with you Breezer, I used to know someone like that very well on WoW. We were really good friend's, then I found out that she was "dating" 4 people at once. She was obsessed with drama and was always acting like she was really important and that everything was against her. After that we fell out and I don't know her now. Best advice I can give is to stay away from these people.

Posted: Jan 22nd 2010 4:22PM (Unverified) said

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G.I.R.L.

Guy in Real Life.

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Posted: Jan 22nd 2010 4:37PM (Unverified) said

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Doesn't anyone use voice chat?

A) I don't care
B) Why should I care?
C) Does it make a difference?

I play a lot of MMO's with my wife so it means zero to me. I was once in a Lineage 2 guild where the majority of members were female, go figure.

I can tell you a game that will not have females (or very, very rarely) - EVE

Posted: Jan 22nd 2010 5:52PM Krystalle Voecks said

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Good save on that "or very few"... I'm in a Corp with a few women, and at least one of them would pod you for saying that. XD
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Posted: Jan 23rd 2010 3:47AM (Unverified) said

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If I could stomach the mind numbing, insomnia curing gameplay I would take you up on that.

But alas, space spreadsheet online isn't for me. :)
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Posted: Jan 22nd 2010 6:07PM Anatidae said

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I like the cuddle comment. Girl or not - MMOs are no replacement for real human contact. I hope both those players find someone to really cuddle with.

Posted: Jan 22nd 2010 9:59PM ultimateq said

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I don't really bother with it. Because 75% of the time people don't believe me, and 99.9% of the time they always want contact information (email, skype, etc). So I don't care if people believe me or not, and I make no effort to make it known that I'm actually a girl. If it happens, it happens. If it doesn't, oh well.

People are often shocked when I join a guild and use their VOIP. But as of late, I haven't been playing anything, been way to busy with life.

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