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Posted: Jan 21st 2010 10:29PM Seraphina Brennan said

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By the way, read the end of my article. You might find something you agree with, dear.
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Posted: Jan 21st 2010 9:41PM (Unverified) said

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Blizzard actually owns all rights to the game, so anything that comes from the game, IE your achievements and what you are doing in the game, is owned by them as well. So they pretty much have the right to publish it if they please. Don't get me wrong, an Opt-out is probably a good idea, but it personally doesn't bother me that anyone can see what I am doing or have done in game. It's a game after all :)

Posted: Jan 22nd 2010 12:57AM Laephis said

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Seraphina Brennan, I'm not sure you will see this, but I really encourage you to read the following article:

http://www.schneier.com/blog/archives/2007/07/privacy_and_the.html

In fact, I would urge anyone who has even a passing interest in the subject to read that PDF essay. In short, the "I've got nothing to hide" argument is faulty because it assumes that privacy is about hiding wrongdoing. It's built on a false premise and fails to consider that privacy is about something completely different.

I realize this is Massively, and a WoW-post no less, but I'm hoping there's enough maturity here to read the linked essay and come away with a better understanding of the issue. Sure, it's just a video game, but I believe the subject is important no matter how it's applied.

Posted: Jan 22nd 2010 1:04AM Seraphina Brennan said

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Ooh. Calling me out with both names. Interesting.

In fact, I prepared this article based on the article you just linked. It was sent to us by a reader (hence my tip in the article.) Double in fact, I linked to it in the essay above. You might wish to go read that, because it's there.

There is a very good reason I called this article "nothing to hide." It's based on the article you just gave me. While this article is a good, valid article, when it's applied to a video game it gets a bit frivolous. However, if you noted the end of my article, I end up agreeing with you simply because it's not my place as a writer to determine what is best for you. If you think you would be better off opting out of this program, then so be it.

We've gone for how many years without a program like this -- why start now? However, many of the arguments that are being applied here are just downright silly. It's a video game. Having your latest achievement announced is frivolous -- but it should be something in your control.

Take the article and apply it to something that's worthwhile... like wiretaps.
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Posted: Jan 23rd 2010 3:13AM Laephis said

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Well aren't I an idiot for completely missing the link in the original link. Sorry about that.

Also, didn't mean to "call you out" by using both names, I honestly just cut and pasted your name to be sure I didn't mess up the spelling. :)

Anyway, I'd be really surprised if you read this since it's a day late, but there ya go.

(PS, I still disagree and think the application of good ideas is universal, not just reserved for certain things.)
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Posted: Jan 22nd 2010 1:28AM Joystiq Login Bugs SUCK said

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{{Wow, you a real low gearscore, just over 2k? You have weak gemming and enchants, no wonder you only ever made it to naxx 10, I'm surprised you even made it there. Spend some effort putting in some purples and upgrading your weak gear. You need way more dodge and parry too. Kicked. l2play nub}}

Well dear, I guess you never learnt that 2 pages of arguments for giving away your privacy can't be changed with a single sentence at the end?

You never did address the point made by myself and others too that this feed allows the hypothetical statements above to happen. Yes, I know that your toon was ok pre wrath of the lion king but the statement in {{ }} illustrates what things like gearscore and this allow some epeeners to do.

Now... as for the wishy washy article where you make no real clear point and then contradict what you do say... L2Write nub. :P

Posted: Jan 22nd 2010 1:29AM Seraphina Brennan said

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No, I know I did not address your problems, simply because your problems are you own, and I do support your concerns. I cannot share them as, well, I don't, but it doesn't mean that I can't have your back. The opt-out should go in, and I hope Blizz changes their mind on the whole ordeal. But, I think people are causing enough of a ruckus, so that change will probably be occuring soon.

And you better come back to disagree with me next week. :3 What else will have to do if you don't? *hugs*

Oh, and I'll learn to play... one of these days. =P
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Posted: Jan 22nd 2010 5:55AM Temko said

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lets be simple and obvious here:

this feature, without a opt-out is a disaster.
lets speak of google on this.

- google data mines like no other. i mean... they literally have hundreds of people who's job is to mine, filter and process data.
now, imagine google wants in on the wow steam with their main revenue stream: Adds. imagine blizzard strikes a deal and allows google to post adds in your character screen.

Google wil use the armour to confirm which timezone ye play, know which area ye are, prep the language you use, get the gear and confirm it by some pretty impressive queries and get your average playtime, main days of playing, accivity. google can then link this data to your other names if they match (lets say you have Mike as a charname, Mike as a google mail, etc...) tada: info linked, and they can then link data to you.

and this is just a example of google... who wants to post innocent adds. lets flip this with spammers, viral add companies, etc... not to mention people who may have criminal acctivities planned or planning.

all they need is a CHARACTER name from a VIDEO game to get access to a extreme ammount of data on your day to day behavior.
(ps: my job is to make websites and web applications. i get paid to make applications that PREVENT this)

now Opt-out is good. Opt-in is better. Opt-in with permissions is even better. Non-existent is acceptable.

want a small hint? i quit WoW over the armory.


Now, the fact of the matter is - regardless of whether i have or don't have to anything to hide, all information that is available about me, should only be with my consent, permission and even then only within the parameters i set.

oh and as for the EULA: WoW's Eula contains several structural errors (as does nearly every other eula) making it a legally invalid document.

Posted: Jan 22nd 2010 8:42AM swarmofcats said

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Nobody cares what you are doing in WoW. Trust me.
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Posted: Jan 22nd 2010 8:50AM (Unverified) said

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I'm quite interested to know why the Calendar, Guild Bank Contents and Guild Bank Log tabs on the Armory remain locked to the general public. Either these players are hiding something, or they are ashamed of what they have stockpiled and how much they raid...

Posted: Jan 22nd 2010 11:08AM (Unverified) said

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The feature should only be allowed for friends. No matter if it's an MMO or not people have the right to privacy. I personally don't care, who is going to stalk my character? And better yet what the heck are they going to get out of it???

Posted: Jan 22nd 2010 11:38AM (Unverified) said

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Where can I get me one of those Privacy Snuggies?

Posted: Jan 22nd 2010 1:03PM Seraphina Brennan said

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I sell them in the Sera Microtransaction Store for 15,000 Sera Points (TM). They are the perfect thing to accompany the Sera Noiseblocker Headphones... a steal at only 3,000 Sera Points (TM).
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Posted: Jan 22nd 2010 12:36PM Humbug said

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Does the seemingly innocuousness of the information from the game make it not an invasion or merely an acceptable invasion of privacy?

Where do you draw the line?

Is everything that happens while logged in to your character fair game for publishing to the public? Including chat logs? It's their game they can do with it what they want. You've got nothing to hide right?

Should the books you check out from the library or purchase online be publicly viewable? Libraries are public resources so what happens with them should be public. Online book stores own their customer purchase histories. They can do with it what they like. No one cares what you read. I'm mean, you've got nothing to hide, right?

Should the programs you watch on television be publicly viewable? You're accessing their content through their network, in most cases. No one cares what you watch on TV. Besides, you've got nothing to hide, right?

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