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Posted: Jan 21st 2010 1:43PM charlieromeobravo said

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I've never seen anything in the armory that, IMO, it offers that is so wonderful that it automatically justifies over-riding what I think should be a player's default right to privacy. I understand that WOW is a private service that there's no inherent right to privacy for players there but Blizzard should show some deference to their players' potential desires on this issue. On this RSS issue specifically, what's the benefit of being able to follow another player's accomplishments via a news reader? This just seems like a useless gee-whiz feature. Everything does not have to be connected to Facebook or Twitter and this just seems like something they created so they could say they did it.

Posted: Jan 21st 2010 3:45PM (Unverified) said

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Well, while I come from the standpoint of "It's a game, just don't share your character names with people you don't know", I can also say from a pure gaming standpoint they -do- take it a bit too far. While showing things such as " equipped new " is one thing, which is something that people can figure out also form a /inspect in the game. I -DO- wish they didn't do the " obtained ". Showing things that people won a roll on, but didn't equip, says straight up that the person either banked, sold, or DE'd it. Which I've seen more than one guild argument over the years break out, because one person felt a piece of gear was better for another person. So I can just see it now "Dude! You won the Axe of Instant Death and didn't equip it, you're still using your Axe of A Thousand Truths! How dumb are you!" and begin argument and guild drama.

If people want people to know they picked an item up off auction, they'll tell them.

Outside of that though there's nothing that's shown that isn't visible in some other fashion anyway.

Posted: Jan 21st 2010 2:03PM GenericPerson said

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All of those options are basically just excuses. If I'm at work and I get fired for playing a game on company time, so be it. I'm sure it was probably something told when I was hired on, or get this something you just don't do at work. As for not going out with a friends, its alright to just say I don't feel like going out tonight.

I would like to know how many of these people complaining are Facebook, MySpace, etc users. I agree with Barinthos in the fact that if they don't like the idea some of their information (rather their characters information) is public then get over it. When that characters information translates into actual real life identity theft then I could see people having issues. However, you also must realize that the information they are posting isn't yours, it is Blizzards. That is the entire reason you can't (shouldn't, blah, that's another post) sell your account or sell in-game goods for cash, its because that stuff is Blizzard's.

The armory was a neat option to begin with just to share your characters gear and stuff with friends, but now it almost seems like a waste because all it seems to be is useless information and a way for people to stroke their own egos.

Posted: Jan 21st 2010 2:06PM (Unverified) said

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Oh yay. Thanks, Blizzard!

I'm sure this information will be very helpful to my violent, alcoholic, jealous ex-husband who has proven he can't be relied on to act rationally.

I wonder if he has any more guns that his parents haven't taken away? Maybe I'm going to get to find out, now that he gets a live feed telling him exactly when I'm home and for how long.

Of course, I can always pay extra to change my character's names and move off my server and have to make new friends, or even just not play at all. Why should Blizzard care? I mean really, *they're* not the one who made the mistake of not being able to predict with 100% accuracy the kind of man who would turn into a raging drunk. Why should they have to be all inconvenienced to invest a little time to put in a privacy code?

No, no. It's all good. It only makes sense that *I* should be the one who has to slink further and further away from having any kind of life. After all, it's all my fault anyways, or at least that's what I've been told for the last ten years. If I had just listened better, he wouldn't have had to drink so much, and no one would have gotten hurt. I should just suck it up and abandon yet another part of my life. It's no big deal; I'm so used to him controlling everything I do that it's really no effort to keep acting like his potential victim, even though he's moved out of the house and there's a restraining order.

I certainly wouldn't want to get in the way of people being able to see what other people are doing in video games whenever the whim strikes them. That's IMPORTANT. And I have this wonderfully flimsy little piece of paper to protect me. I'm sure I'll be just fine.




Posted: Jan 21st 2010 2:24PM GenericPerson said

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Sounds to me like you're in a pretty bad relationship. I'd suggest counseling for your spouse and maybe toss yourself in it as well, sounds like you may have some anger management issues to deal with.
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Posted: Jan 21st 2010 2:29PM (Unverified) said

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Dont blaim Blizz for your choice of a ex husband. If he is that dangerous and you are affraid then why are you still on the same server and have the same name he knows about. Not hard to track you now even without the armory feature. I mean if I had a stalker ex wife that wanted to kill me I would take steps to ensure she does not find me. Not blaim a company for having to "protect" me.

Its whats wrong with the world today. Everyones a victim. I am glad for this feature. Some guy tried to get into my roommates guild last week who had ninja'ed a item a few weeks before. He changed his name and reappted to the guild. only way my friend knew who it was because he had him on his friends list, and when he changed his name the name changed ont he friends list also. So i think this is a great idea.
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Posted: Jan 21st 2010 2:33PM Barinthos said

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Bubble Hearth?
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Posted: Jan 21st 2010 2:40PM Snow Leopard said

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Sounds like there are some deeper issues here besides a video game website.
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Posted: Jan 21st 2010 2:46PM (Unverified) said

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Oh I'm not blaming Blizzard! Didn't you read what I wrote? I said it's totes my fault, and all that.

If someone commits a crime, of COURSE it's me and not him that should do all the changing, and all the work to make sure he doesn't do it again.

I agree, if some folks would just stop acting like a victim, everyone else in the world could just go on about their business of not having to care about anything that makes them uncomfortable. It really is inconvenient when people like me talk about bad things that have happened; I'm very sorry it made you feel obliged to spare a brain cell or two thinking about the choices I could have made better.

It's fortunate you didn't have to take a moment to think about the choices my ex husband could have made better. At least you have that, right?

The other day I saw an article called "10 Ways That are 100% Guaranteed to Prevent Rape". I was intrigued, but then I saw it was all directed towards the rapists themselves not, you know, actually raping people. Puhleeze. Like they're the ones at fault!

If there's anything that I've learned from thoughtful people like yourself, it's that as long as there's always one thing you could have done differently if you could have seen into the future and knew how it would all turn out, anything bad that happens to you is totally your own fault and no one should ever, ever lift a hand to help you in any way, because then you'll just never learn, will you?

Unless your a criminal, in which case it's always your victims who are to blame
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Posted: Jan 21st 2010 2:15PM Rinzik said

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I do agree on the fact that people should be able to opt out of it if they dont like it... i however am very appreciative of this as it helped me realize my account had been hacked...... just checked my character on the armory to tell a friend of mine what gear i had and found that i had gotten an achievment early that morning....tried to log in only to find it was changed and there was a authenticator on it..... got it all taken care of though and after the roll back no damage was done.

Posted: Jan 21st 2010 2:27PM (Unverified) said

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Privacy is a human right... unless it endangeres human rights of others.

I'm not playing WoW anymore, but if I wanted to I could stalk my ex-girlfriend in-game, know when she's playing and not, use the info against in every single way possible.

Now, I'm not going to do that, but as it is right now there's nothing to prevent me from doing it should I decide to so.

Blizzard should seriously consider adding an opt-out. That way everyone is happy.

Also, why do people who don't care about others knowing their in-game activity... even care about this discussion?

Posted: Jan 21st 2010 2:31PM (Unverified) said

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The point is not whether you have something to hide or not. The point is whether the rest of the world has a right or even a need to know your every movement in a game.

Some people want to share those details and that fine. If an opt-out is added, they dont have to use it.

As long as I am not commiting any crimes, my right to privacy is my own to control. Its not your right to decide whether or not I should be allowed privacy.

I dont have anything to hide when I'm watching TV in my living room, but I sure as hell wouldn't like to have a live feed with constant updates about it everytime I scratch my ass or get up to fetch a beverage in the fridge. Just because I'm not doin anything wrong or illegal, it doesnt mean I want everyone to have full access to what I'm doing.

Posted: Jan 21st 2010 2:36PM aurickle said

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Let's apply the "I've got nothing to hide" argument to the real world, shall we? How many of us would be comfortable living n a glass house? I mean a truly glass house, where there are no solid walls whatsoever, and no curtains.

But you've got nothing to hide, right? You don't do anything illegal at all. What does it matter that anyone and everyone can see that you're up watching a movie at 2:00 in the morning with a beer in hand? Or that you and your wife are having sex? Or that you're in the bathroom, taking a dump? You're not doing anything illegal, so it's OK that anyone who wants to can set up camp across the street and watch your life.

The argument about how it's fine because they first have to know your name is also invalid. The Armory has these really great search features. If I have a guild name, I can find people in that guild. If I want to find out who first got X achievement, I can. Or how about Arena ladders? It's actually very easy to find people on the Armory without ever having communicated with them in-game, or even talked to them.

Blizzard is definitely taking things too far here. There should be an opt-out feature. Making it mandatory to let people follow you like this is something that will make me leave the game on principle alone. Our rights and freedoms are too valuable to let governments or companies encroach on them in this manner.

Posted: Jan 21st 2010 5:48PM RogueJedi86 said

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Having sex in view of other people is illegal. It's indecent exposure. So yes, having sex in full view of others in a glass house is illegal. There are some things that are legal, but not in public. That kinda ruins the idea of being able to live in a glass house and do anything.
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Posted: Jan 21st 2010 2:36PM Darkdust said

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The mantra of "if you're doing nothing wrong, you've nothing to hide" misses a key point: "wrong" versus "acceptable" don't necessarily determine whether I want to hide something. I restrict pictures of my kids on my Flickr account to friends and family because it's simply no one else's business. I restrict certain posts on my blog because I use it to communicate deeply personal thoughts on religion and spirituality.

Certainly, a game character and such doesn't have nearly the importance of one's family and faith. But the key still comes down to "my data, my choice." I very likely would publicize most of that data, in the same way that my EVE Online certs stay public and I post my killmails (loss mails, in my case :p ) publicly. But I do so based on an informed decision, just as I deactivated my Facebook account due to an informed decision on their revamped stance on privacy.

Posted: Jan 21st 2010 2:38PM Tom in VA said

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This is just one more reason not to play WoW any more, imo. All of this "WoW Armory" stuff is simply a cover for posturing and Big Brother-type nosiness.

Count me out.

Posted: Jan 21st 2010 2:42PM (Unverified) said

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The article states that if you do not want your information showed, then you should be able to opt out. The catch here is that it is not your information, it belongs to Blizzard. You pay for the use of the service but the EULA states that all data belongs to the service provider, hence Blizzard.

They can do whatever they want with the data, and if that means adding an RSS feed to the Armory so people can track other peoples toons, then it is completely within their right to do so. Don't like it? Cancel your account. Only active accounts are shown on the Armory. By canceling that is the only surefire way to prevent people from seeing what your doing.

Posted: Jan 21st 2010 2:53PM (Unverified) said

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Yes just because they legally can do it means they should... I'm sure you would love that when all the search engines start releasing your data to the public...Don't like it don't use it right...
Wow I can't believe everyone here who is saying this is fine. First off it shouldn't be an opt-out, it should be opt-in. Second this is teh same thing as when they were displaying gold on there. Do you know how easy this will make it for farmers to target players with high activities and with achievements that show you have a large amount of gold. I quit the damn game 3 months ago because I realized blizzard is on a slow downward spiral of doing things first and fixing it later, and giving less and less thought about their customer. Bobby Kotick can bite me because he is the cause of blizzards craptasicness of late.
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Posted: Jan 23rd 2010 8:26PM (Unverified) said

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Mdavis,

Not true--I unsubbed early December-ish (too much stuff going on with my husband and I both working on our Master's), my account is inactive, and you can still see stuff I did in November on there.

I believe that is before this was even brought up.
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Posted: Jan 21st 2010 2:58PM mode7overworld said

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This armory update doesn't broadcast your real name, your home address, your phone number, social security number, credit card, or anything else pertaining to anything that is truly important.

All it reveals is that you play World of Warcraft.

How can anybody seriously get worked up about this?

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