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Posted: Jan 21st 2010 1:19PM (Unverified) said

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Something to hide or not, this is an invasion of privacy.

Posted: Jan 21st 2010 1:41PM (Unverified) said

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Don't agree to the EULA, then.
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Posted: Jan 21st 2010 10:16PM Eamil said

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"but it's a slippery slope."

Slippery slope is a logical fallacy.
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Posted: Jan 22nd 2010 4:25AM lpetersson said

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As others said, don't agree to the EULA. See? Wasn't that easy?

People were up in arms when the Armoury was introduced because 'omfg oh noes now the alliance/horde can see my gear mommy make it go away'...
But look, people survived and WoW wasn't deserted...

the only ones that have something to fear from this are the kids who don't want their parents to know how much they play...
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Posted: Jan 21st 2010 1:20PM drakino said

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Overall, I side with the point to allow people to opt-out, even if it's not something I might do for my characters. SOE is a good example here. They actually expose more data then Blizzard does in most of their games, but every step along the way has an opt-out. If you are in game, you can hide your level and class from showing up in /who. If you are on their players websites, you can restrict info about your character to guildmates, friends, or block access completely. Their setup gives control to the players.

Prior to the dungeon finder, having an in game mask hiding my level and class would have been nice. Any healers and tanks were asked on a pretty regular basis to go help other players. While I'm all for helping others in MMOs, sometimes you do need to just go do something and don't want to be harassed by strangers.

Posted: Jan 21st 2010 1:23PM Barinthos said

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If these people are really that adamant about privacy in a MASSIVELY ONLINE game, should they really even be playing in the first place?

Last I checked, the internet wasn't the more private place in the world.

Posted: Jan 21st 2010 1:30PM charlieromeobravo said

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WHat does the game being an MMO have to do with it? A movie theater is a massively multi-person experience. Should the last 10 movies I watched be available for scrutiny to everyone else in the theater with me? We live in a massively multi-person society and yet we're still afforded right to a privacy...
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Posted: Jan 21st 2010 1:25PM Gaugamela said

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I don't agree with your opinion in this that it is unimportant. They should give an opt out option from it because it shows what you are doing and when.
Imagine that you log to your WoW account on your work hours and that your boss or someone from your company finds out about it and you are fired because of it? Maybe you were just occupying some dead time in your work but the company may use it as an excuse to fire you.

Hell, when an health insurance company stops covering depressed people because of photos with those people smiling in Facebook then i believe that privacy should be an obligatory option.

Then you have other cases. You avoid meeting with a friend irl but you go play WoW. If that friend also plays WoW (likely) and he checks your armory he may get pissed because you spent time in-game.
I can imagine a bunch more of these cases. The activity of the person in-game shouldn't be accessible by the general public.

Posted: Jan 21st 2010 1:31PM Barinthos said

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I'm going to agree with the whole opt-out option, but the examples you give are just ridiculous.

If you get fired for playing a game at work then you deserve to get fired. Don't blame WoW or this new armory feature on it.

If you were really clinically depressed and WoW makes you feel even a bit better you can get a psychiatrist or doctor to sign off on that being some kind of therapy and therefore the insurance wouldn't halt coverage.

If you ditch your friends to play WoW and they find out then they have every right to be mad at you. Just tell them you're going to play WoW, or even invite them to whatever it is you're going to do. Lieing to a friend is deserving of someone being upset with you.

Again, ridiculous scenarios.
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Posted: Jan 21st 2010 1:54PM Gaugamela said

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[quote]If you get fired for playing a game at work then you deserve to get fired. Don't blame WoW or this new armory feature on it.[/quote]

I don't even play WoW and i am unemployed. Just giviing an example.
There's lots of people that play games at their work without their bosses knowing. If you don't believe this then you never worked in your life. Obviously you aren't going to do it in front of your boss. Such as you won't be seeing photos unrelated to work or sports sites in front of your boss. However EVERYBODY does it. Humans aren't worker bees. We have limited atention spans and we aren't robots, we get distracted and need to get distracted from time to time. So don't give me crap about not doing leisure things when you have downtime on your job. WoW is an example of a possible downtime activity as it is to be looking at forums and blogs of stuff that have nothing to do with work.

[quote]If you were really clinically depressed and WoW makes you feel even a bit better you can get a psychiatrist or doctor to sign off on that being some kind of therapy and therefore the insurance wouldn't halt coverage.[/quote]

http://www.cbc.ca/canada/montreal/story/2009/11/19/quebec-facebook-sick-leave-benefits.html (by the way shove it)
The case i KNOW of is off a canadian woman that was clinically depressed and had recomendations from their psychiatrist to go out, have fun and socialize because it was good against depression. She went out on her birthday, socialized, posted pictures on her Facebook and the health insurer stoped covering her treatment because since she was smiling in her Facebook photos she was "obviously" fine.

[quote]If you ditch your friends to play WoW and they find out then they have every right to be mad at you. Just tell them you're going to play WoW, or even invite them to whatever it is you're going to do. Lieing to a friend is deserving of someone being upset with you.[/quote]

Sorry, but they don't have any right to be mad at me. I do whatever the hell i want in my free time. I am not forced to show up to every single thing my friends want me to show up just because they ask me. I am curious to know if you ever did that.
If i want to stay at home and play some videogames to unwind i am not going to tell them that. I'll just tell that i want to stay at home and unwind. Why the frak should i give them a detailed list of what i am going to do while at home?
And what if you have friends that don't like videogames but annoy you by playing WoW? Are you going to tell them that you don't want to go out but play WoW just so that you get yourr friends angry? If you do that then you really need to interact with other people more.

[quote]Again, ridiculous scenarios.[/quote]

I think i've shown you, especially with that depressed girl, that these aren't ridiculous scenarios. If you still think they are consider that what for you is ridiculous for other persons it may not be.
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Posted: Jan 21st 2010 2:41PM (Unverified) said

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Pedro

You cannot justify bad acts with "EVERYBODY does it." That is juvenile. Since you are unemployed (not surprised), I will explain it. Money can be exchanged for goods and services. Employers pay you money to work, not to dick around in MMOs. They have EVERY right to know what you are doing during work hours, and likely log or spy on your computer use already.

Facebook is retarded, and off-topic. Insurance companies often hire private investigators to spy on workman's comp and other special cases, so WoW is the least of your worries.

I don't believe you have friends, so I'm sure you do whatever the hell you want.

Sera hit the nail on the head in that the ONLY real reason to want to hide this pointless, non-identifying, relatively obscure information is that you are ashamed of your game-time, embarrassed about your status in-game, or are innately paranoid.

Given the latter, there is a nice selection of tinfoil hats and RFID-blocking gear located at http://www.lessemf.com/personal.html
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Posted: Jan 21st 2010 2:59PM Gaugamela said

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yeahright, first go frak yourself. You don't know me nor do you know why i am unemployed so don't go around assuming that you do. I am highly professional in my work and always do what i am told on time. So spare me the witty offensive remarks

I know that employers have all the right to see what i am spending my time in the internet doing. But if i am productive, get everything done in time and behave in a professional way no one has a reason to fire me even if i spend time in an MMO, if it's not against company policies (different companies have different protocols for computer use - my cousin works in one where you ccan do whatever the heck you want (including playing WoW) if you get your work done). And don't come and preach me with the politically correct and assuming a holier than thou attitude. Next time you are writing on a blog unrelated to your work in your work time, or wasting time in Facebook please remember this conversation.
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Posted: Jan 21st 2010 4:53PM (Unverified) said

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"I know that employers have all the right to see what i am spending my time in the internet doing. But if i am productive, get everything done in time and behave in a professional way... no one has a reason to fire me even if i spend time in an MMO..."

Of course they do. If you ran a business, would you want to pay your employees to play games? If they're so great at their jobs and finish things so quickly, I'm going to send them home early or limit their hours altogether if I don't need them. I'm sure as hell not going to let an employee sit around and milk the clock. It's called a "job", and nobody's entitled to one...something you found out the hard way (to which I also am not surprised). Employers hire people in order to maintain and grow their business. Unless they're run by the government, they likely won't keep people that don't fulfill both of those requirements. Hey, there you go, you could always work for them. They like people that don't work AND have a screwy attitude.

And how childish would someone look to ask "I've finished my work for today, can I play videogames on my computer now?" to their boss? I'd be ashamed of myself if I did that, and you should be, too.
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Posted: Jan 21st 2010 1:30PM Snow Leopard said

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Good article! The new armory feed isn’t the end of the world. I, for one, find there’s more to gain by broadcasting my achievements than hiding them. Yet, I can still see why some people aren’t too thrilled about it.

Posted: Jan 21st 2010 1:37PM (Unverified) said

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Here's a thought. If this information is as innocuous and inconsequential as people claim, why are you other people so interested in seeing it?

Posted: Jan 21st 2010 1:40PM Barinthos said

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Along with gear scores, achievements are one of the ways PUG raids determine if you're capable of going into a raid they're setting it up.

I've seen quite a few people say an achievement has to be linked before an invite will be given.
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Posted: Jan 21st 2010 2:01PM (Unverified) said

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Thanks for reminding me of one of the 1000 reasons I don't do raids in mmos.
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Posted: Jan 21st 2010 2:08PM Barinthos said

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Yeah, it's pretty stupid to "require" a certain, made up number and/or an achievement to even be considered for something.

Skill is apparently second runner to phat purple lewts and cheeves.
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Posted: Jan 21st 2010 4:07PM (Unverified) said

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"Hmm, this guy doesn't have the axe I want for my guy. He may try to take it. We're not bringing him."

Yeah, real pertinent information.
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Posted: Jan 21st 2010 4:18PM DevilSei said

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""Hmm, this guy doesn't have the axe I want for my guy. He may try to take it. We're not bringing him."

Yeah, real pertinent information."

You don't know how many pugs of dungeons AND raids I've been turned down for such a reason. I've had several groups look me up on the armory, and told me they refuse to take me because I might need some of the gear there.

Honestly, I don't really like the Armory in general. It just adds to the wave of "you need Z to raid V and you are only U" so-called "requirements". Hell, the first week since achievements were released, I saw guilds posting for members, and one requirement was you had to have 4k achievement points.

As for the RSS feed? Don't like it. I personally find it a waste of resources to even add to the game. The only, ONLY way it would be helpful is if you are so paranoid you set your Iphone or whatever to watch those feeds just to make sure no one else plays or hacks your account.

If they are going to add such a useless feature to the armory page, they should give us an option we can click to opt out of using it, and from letting others see them.
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