In this most recent round of court scuffles between Interplay and Bethesda over the Fallout MMO rights, it would seem that some details are coming to light about what's going on at Bethesda's MMO "branch", Zenimax Media. According to filings, the word is that there are close to 100 people working on an MMO that costs "tens and tens of millions of dollars" and has been under development since late 2006. Apparently these same filings claim that the title is a "World of Warcraft" type MMO. Of course, considering World of Warcraft is about as equal to McDonalds in terms of brand recognition with its millions and millions served, saying something is like World of Warcraft could mean anything from 'it's a DIKU-based, kill-ten-rats, FedEx, fantasy MMO that looks rather a lot like WoW' on up to 'it's somewhere in the general MMO neighborhood.'
Now, to follow this interesting tidbit up, the word is that Bethesda is moving to have this particular chunk of testimony censored to protect trade secrets. To stir the pot a bit further on why they might be scrambling to block it, VG247 have a source they claim is reliable confirming this is the often-rumored Elder Scrolls MMO. What's more, their source says the Elder Scrolls MMO should have been announced last year.
Holding off on a Fallout MMO, we can understand. Bethesda doesn't have the clear rights to the Fallout MMO IP as yet like they do with the single-player game, so to announce it early would be folly. At the rate things are proceeding, heavens only knows how long the Interplay/Bethesda proceedings will drag out, so one could argue developing it before this is all settled would be folly too, considering how fast technology evolves.
As for the reasons on holding an Elder Scrolls MMO back, we have some problem with justifying the rumors of delay. After all, Bethesda clearly owns the rights to Elder Scrolls, and starting the hype machine up several years before release wouldn't exactly be a surprisingly new tactic from any company in the games industry.
Still, there are tasty tidbits that support an Elder Scrolls MMO offering, such as Todd Howard's statement that there's "always a chance" for an Elder Scrolls MMO, Zenimax holding several Elder Scrolls MMO type domains after getting funding for MMO development, and the slip-up by a book publisher that noted the next game in the series after Oblivion would be 200 years later.
Whether the game those nearly 100 souls are busy working on is the oft asked for Elder Scrolls MMO, or if they are indeed elbows-deep in a Fallout MMO despite counsel's claims to the contrary, who knows. Both games would undoubtedly have a following, and could stand to make Bethesda/Zenimax some nice cash if done well.
[via VG247]
Reader Comments (45)
Posted: Jan 20th 2010 1:06PM (Unverified) said
Well if it is true then it will be pretty awesome to have an Elder Scrolls mmo coming our way. A definite buy for me!
Posted: Jan 20th 2010 1:21PM (Unverified) said
The ONLY way this game will do well is if it keeps with the feature of Elder Scrolls of creating your own content.
If this MMO allows for player created servers (aka NWN) - then it has a bright future. If it's another WoW like game...then failure.
Fallout MMO would do well I think.
If this MMO allows for player created servers (aka NWN) - then it has a bright future. If it's another WoW like game...then failure.
Fallout MMO would do well I think.
Posted: Jan 20th 2010 1:35PM Gaugamela said
I would play a Elder Scrolls MMO if it showed some really strong RPG and social components and not too much grinding. But they would need to think how to introduce decent PvP because i can't see how that would work.
It has the potential to work.
It has the potential to work.
Posted: Jan 20th 2010 1:24PM (Unverified) said
So Bethesda is fighting with Interplay over the rights to produce a Fallout MMO so they can go and produce an Oblivion MMO? This is based on a passing sentence that Bethesda is planning a 'World of Warcraft' type of MMO, so therefor it MUST be Oblivion.
I'm glad to see logic and deductive reasoning is all long gone these days. WoW has become like Xerox or Kleenex. Something so ingrained in the public consciousness that people refer to any version of the product they make by the company name, even if it's not made by that company. So pretty much any MMO these days can and is refered to as 'Like that World of Warcraft thing'.
Clearly Bethesda wants to produce their own Fallout MMO. They have no reason to be pressing this suit if they didn't. Whether or not they're producing an Oblivion MMO as well has nothing to do with anything involving the lawsuit. It's a complete non-issue, even if it is true.
I'm glad to see logic and deductive reasoning is all long gone these days. WoW has become like Xerox or Kleenex. Something so ingrained in the public consciousness that people refer to any version of the product they make by the company name, even if it's not made by that company. So pretty much any MMO these days can and is refered to as 'Like that World of Warcraft thing'.
Clearly Bethesda wants to produce their own Fallout MMO. They have no reason to be pressing this suit if they didn't. Whether or not they're producing an Oblivion MMO as well has nothing to do with anything involving the lawsuit. It's a complete non-issue, even if it is true.
Posted: Jan 20th 2010 2:08PM pcgneurotic said
There are many of us who would say that Bethesda have made some of the greatest single player RPGs ever - for me, it's Morrowind. The Elder Scrolls series is extremely well established, has an incredibly rich lore that f***ing Blizztard can only dream about, and purveys a brand of adult fantasy several notches above the usual.
Bethesda as a company have done little in the past to cause anyone to seriously doubt their rep, so if they want to try and bring the Elder Scrolls into the MMOG world, I say right-the-f***-on.
F***ing Bioware, whom people seem to think fart rose-scented perfume, can kiss my ass +1. Bethesda are clearly the KRS One of the fantasy computer game world. Amen.
Bethesda as a company have done little in the past to cause anyone to seriously doubt their rep, so if they want to try and bring the Elder Scrolls into the MMOG world, I say right-the-f***-on.
F***ing Bioware, whom people seem to think fart rose-scented perfume, can kiss my ass +1. Bethesda are clearly the KRS One of the fantasy computer game world. Amen.
Posted: Jan 20th 2010 3:19PM pcgneurotic said
Hey, if I just came on here apropos of nothing shouting 'So-and-so sucks!', you'd think I was crazy. At least here there's some context. ;)
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Posted: Jan 20th 2010 3:32PM (Unverified) said
I like both Bethesda and Bioware... The former for their huge, non-linear sandboxes, and the latter for their engaging stories and characters. Oddly, each company lacks what the other excels at.
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Posted: Jan 20th 2010 2:33PM Misanthrope said
Well, not necessarily the same engine as Elder Scrolls or Oblivion used for the console games, but assuming this new MMO has a new engine, they could recycle THAT for Fallout.
Posted: Jan 20th 2010 3:26PM Arkanaloth said
while I cannot comment on the source, yeah elder scrolls online is indeed coming to us...
Posted: Jan 20th 2010 3:33PM (Unverified) said
Personally, I would prefer another single-player TES game over an MMO. There aren't enough good single player RPGs, whereas there are tons of fantasy MMOs. I can see why Bethesda would go the MMO route though... It's hard to ignore the subscription money train, especially since they have a large, established fanbase.
Posted: Jan 20th 2010 4:44PM Daelen said
A TES MMO would be awesome and a huge hit. It would pretty much stand alone in the skill based sandbox genre. Well there is UO but really?
And yes they are fighting for Fallout because life Cryptic and Turbine can crank out MMOs on one engine... so can Beth and in this case totally different audience so win win.
Oblivion engine could support MMO easy. The whole TES thing is an alive world, NPC or PC makes no difference to my GPU.
And yes they are fighting for Fallout because life Cryptic and Turbine can crank out MMOs on one engine... so can Beth and in this case totally different audience so win win.
Oblivion engine could support MMO easy. The whole TES thing is an alive world, NPC or PC makes no difference to my GPU.
Posted: Jan 20th 2010 4:58PM (Unverified) said
My only concern would be that Bethseda took 5 iterations of the same game(I am including Fallout 3 in that) to release a game that actually worked at launch and didn't require a year of patches to fix game breaking bugs and make playable.
If they are starting from scratch engine and mechanics wise with this MMO...the possiblity for the most bug ridden,broken launch is breathtaking...
Or they may of learned from their past mistakes and missteps unlike some other developers *coughcrypticcough*
If they are starting from scratch engine and mechanics wise with this MMO...the possiblity for the most bug ridden,broken launch is breathtaking...
Or they may of learned from their past mistakes and missteps unlike some other developers *coughcrypticcough*
Posted: Jan 20th 2010 5:42PM Cendres said
Possibly a very solid rumor if I've ever head one, what else could ZeniMax have been formed be for?
Posted: Jan 20th 2010 6:29PM ChromeBallz said
"World of Warcraft-like MMO"?
That's pretty much a death sentence there already. I don't see how TES resembles WoW in any way - IE: We're not getting a TES MMO, but a cheap WoW knock-off with TES skins and names.
That's pretty much a death sentence there already. I don't see how TES resembles WoW in any way - IE: We're not getting a TES MMO, but a cheap WoW knock-off with TES skins and names.
Posted: Jan 20th 2010 8:10PM Salaryn said
I'm guessing that Elder Scrolls is the Zenimax game. Look at their staff. Are they fantasy background people or do they have fps types penning those pixels?
Posted: Jan 20th 2010 8:15PM (Unverified) said
This isn't surprising. A lot of the other major RPG (alive and defunct) developers have thrown their hats into the ring of the online world, starting way back when with Origin and Ultima Online.
Bioware's got an MMO that plays to their studio's strengths: stories and characters. I don't see why Bethesda also wouldn't pursue the same idea of playing to their strength: massive sandboxed worlds.
If only there was a game that had both, but that might cost hundreds and hundreds of millions of dollars instead of just tens and tens.
Bioware's got an MMO that plays to their studio's strengths: stories and characters. I don't see why Bethesda also wouldn't pursue the same idea of playing to their strength: massive sandboxed worlds.
If only there was a game that had both, but that might cost hundreds and hundreds of millions of dollars instead of just tens and tens.
Posted: Jan 21st 2010 4:13AM SkuzBukit said
"If only there was a game that had both, but that might cost hundreds and hundreds of millions of dollars instead of just tens and tens."
That will happen one day I think, but will be when some big named hollywood studios see gaming as a viable medium to tell a story & decide to go into the project in a big way, movie tie-ins have a long & bad history but sooner or later it'll happen that the game will take priority over the movie even though the two will be co-developed, or even the case that there wont be a move, just a hollywood built mmo, already the cgi & motion capture technology is not far removed from videogaming, a convergence is almost inevitable at some point.
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That will happen one day I think, but will be when some big named hollywood studios see gaming as a viable medium to tell a story & decide to go into the project in a big way, movie tie-ins have a long & bad history but sooner or later it'll happen that the game will take priority over the movie even though the two will be co-developed, or even the case that there wont be a move, just a hollywood built mmo, already the cgi & motion capture technology is not far removed from videogaming, a convergence is almost inevitable at some point.
Posted: Jan 21st 2010 12:36AM (Unverified) said
I like high fantasy novels, and will continue to play those types of games as well. There will never be enough fantasy setting mmos for my taste.
Posted: Jan 21st 2010 5:31AM remover said
If this actually comes out,
my prayers have been answered.
I'm quite tired of meaningless backdrop-filled action adventure romps in flat rooms and fighting bosses that stand still 24/7 in some room until you fight them.
Morrowind, Oblivion, Fallout 3... any of those becoming the basis of an MMO would completely restore my faith in the future of MMORPGs.
Actually having character development and free choice in an MMO, something we haven't seen since yesteryear... is something i'm very excited about.
I wait with bated breath, and poison apples.
my prayers have been answered.
I'm quite tired of meaningless backdrop-filled action adventure romps in flat rooms and fighting bosses that stand still 24/7 in some room until you fight them.
Morrowind, Oblivion, Fallout 3... any of those becoming the basis of an MMO would completely restore my faith in the future of MMORPGs.
Actually having character development and free choice in an MMO, something we haven't seen since yesteryear... is something i'm very excited about.
I wait with bated breath, and poison apples.
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