| Mail |
You might also like: WoW Insider, Joystiq, and more

Reader Comments (40)

Posted: Jan 19th 2010 10:54AM (Unverified) said

  • 2.5 hearts
  • Report
As tasteless as his acts are, it's good to remind us all that these types of people are out there. “Know thy self, know thy enemy..."

Posted: Jan 19th 2010 11:11AM wufiavelli said

  • 2 hearts
  • Report
Like how he justifies the whole damn thing on the bad economy. I have had tons of friends who are on the down and out in the gutter and have been there in some forms myself. Non of them have started scamming.

Posted: Jan 19th 2010 11:28AM (Unverified) said

  • 2 hearts
  • Report
Survival is about money, not about the work you do.
Until it is, people will find ways to get money without working. Make money because they have to. Because they lose their job. Because their job doesn't make them enough to keep them happy and comfortable.

Please stop thinking that most scammers, RL or otherwise, are anything other than normal people.

Posted: Jan 19th 2010 11:30AM eNTi said

  • 2 hearts
  • Report
almost too much self-advertising to be really true, imho.

Posted: Jan 19th 2010 11:36AM eNTi said

  • 2 hearts
  • Report
also... i'm confused. he said, he would scam a lot because he had to pay his bills and couldn't pay his rent. on the other hand he said, he had most of his info from his HR job at this really huge company. this isn't making much sense to me. he had like 7 even accounts, he just sold, with millions of skill points. that's like 100$ a month he could have used for rent, or whatever.

also, he met this awesome girl and all of a sudden he could actually get a real job again? wait... didn't he work at this huge company?

WTF!

Posted: Jan 19th 2010 11:50AM Snow Leopard said

  • 2 hearts
  • Report
Every time I hear stuff like this, it makes me feel more and more reluctant to ever play EVE. It just sounds like the only momentous stuff that goes on in the game is people lying and cheating one another, followed by the player base proclaiming such activities are all a part of the game. No thanks!

Posted: Jan 19th 2010 7:47PM GaaaaaH said

  • 2 hearts
  • Report
As has been stated multiple times, this is not tolerated by EVE rules - it is out of game scamming and illegal
Reply

Posted: Jan 19th 2010 12:46PM (Unverified) said

  • 2 hearts
  • Report
and yet it still happens, does it not Baker?

Hacking into a corp website is a real life crime...one that can send you behind bars in RL. That seems to be the line where EVE players draw that line. Hurting people in game is celebrated as long as it doesn't break in real life laws.

Yet, it still happens in EVE, at, what I would say is an abnormal rate when compared to other MMOs. EVE has created a culture that has evolved beyond PvP between ships to one dedicated to the utter destruction of the player, starting when he/she is a new player and the most vulnerable.

Posted: Jan 19th 2010 2:48PM (Unverified) said

  • 2 hearts
  • Report
Talk about gross generalization :rolleyes:

Show me where scamming in-game is encouraged in EVE? just because it's allowed doesn't mean that everyone is out to get you like you're implying. The vast majority of transactions are not scams, and frankly the scam attempts are so ridiculously obvious that they might as well have a neon sign that says "SCAM" on them. And if you still fall for it, well, I don't know what to tell you.

I also have no clue where you get the idea that everyone in EVE is out to "utterly destroy a player" from. If anything, there are people who WISH such a thing is possible, but that is certainly not the case right now. EVE is a heavily pvp-centric game, but it certainly doesn't force the players into direct participation.

But then if you actually played the game and/or know what you're talking about, you'd know that.
Reply

Posted: Jan 19th 2010 1:19PM Solaris said

  • 2 hearts
  • Report
What I am incapable of comprehending is how some commentators seem to believe that this is a thing that only happens in EVE... ?

Posted: Jan 19th 2010 1:56PM Renko said

  • 2 hearts
  • Report
This interview can be easily summarized without watching it, complete BS!

Posted: Jan 19th 2010 2:33PM (Unverified) said

  • 2 hearts
  • Report
Hundreds of dollars for doing nothing? Sounds like Wall Street bankers who get million dollar bonuses, while they sold off our economy over the last 30 years. It's easy to bash on a small-time kid who ripped off $20K, but try going to the Hamptons and asking the owners of multi-million dollar homes how they make an honest living.

The playing field in RL is so tilted it's ridiculous. So to quote Richard Morgan, "There are some arenas so corrupt, the only clean acts possible are nihilistic."

Posted: Jan 19th 2010 3:28PM wiachy said

  • 2 hearts
  • Report
If your dumb enough to get scammed then you deserve it. Its a harsh view point, but the truth hurts.

Posted: Jan 19th 2010 7:17PM wjowski said

  • 2 hearts
  • Report
Easy to say from the comfort of your parents suburban home.
Reply

Posted: Jan 19th 2010 3:40PM (Unverified) said

  • 3 hearts
  • Report
Simply put, the developers have a standout game in a genre of lookalikes. Why? Because they didn't just create it to look like a cold, merciless universe, it IS a cold merciless universe.

There are severe penalties on dying in this game. Why? Because it's more 'realistic' than WoW where you lose nothing except your pride. It forces people to think and use strategy. It causes a player to have to adapt to the very real possibility that yes, your freighter full of billions of isk worth of goods could very well get shot down and you could lose everything. And yes, your battleship could get taken down by a gang of cheap frigates. It's the WoW equivalent of an 80 with epics getting taken down by a bunch of 30's with greens, and then having them take all those epics and sell them. It's a very real possibility in this game.

We prefer it that way. We prefer a game that doesn't support seniority and leveling over real, actual skill. If you want to be a pirate and gank people's hard earned expensive ship - you can! If you want to try to sit in station and sell people things that are overpriced because they are too lazy to see if you are scamming them - you can! Caveat emptor - that's a term you should remember.

In EVE, you can absolutely ruin someone's day. You can literally infiltrate a corporation that someone has had for years and literally steal YEARS worth of work. The implications of that are amazing. This is not a kid game by any means, or some kind of cartoon that you can play. And you don't get penalized for not having the purps to run the dungeon - you can BE the dungeon.

Kudos to CCP for making a game that makes every other MMO look like kindergarten.

Posted: Jan 19th 2010 7:29PM wiachy said

  • 2 hearts
  • Report
it's easy to say because those parents in the suburban house didn't raise an idiot.

Posted: Jan 19th 2010 8:10PM (Unverified) said

  • 2 hearts
  • Report
I think massively needs to put an article up about how most EVE players are actually decent people - look at some of the beliefs in this thread, that "every eve player is out to destroy you" - what ridiculousness.

and another note, that big corp that was broken up, BoB (it was mentioned on the previous page of comments) was NOT hacked. one of the top-ranking players decided to defect, and he took the entire corp assets with him. it was ingame, nothing else.

Posted: Jan 19th 2010 10:52PM Graill440 said

  • 2 hearts
  • Report
As i have stated in the past, fraud is a real crime with no time limit. There is no reason to make baseless threats on a blog like this, simply do what i have done.

I have sent the link and the names of those advertised here to authorities. Its no skin off my nose and if it doesnt get acted upon no big deal, if it does get acted upon then the idiots that made the vid and the person commiting fraud will have something to keep them busy sometime in the near future.

That and i just plain hate people enabling this kind of behaviour. Enjoy.

Posted: Jan 20th 2010 12:58PM Solaris said

  • 2 hearts
  • Report
It should be noted that the interviewer (Marcus Eikenberry) also owns and operates websites like Shattered Crystal, TrustWho and MarkeeDragon where the latter essentially serves as a craigslist of sorts for virtual goods in various MMOs, including accounts..

Basically, he is quick to take the high ground when it comes to fraud yet he promotes it himself.

Featured Stories

MMO Week in Review: Are you Elite or Dangerous?

Posted on Dec 21st 2014 8:00PM

EVE Evolved: EVE Online vs. Elite: Dangerous

Posted on Dec 21st 2014 6:00PM

WoW Archivist: A Glyphmas story

Posted on Dec 21st 2014 12:00PM

Engadget

Engadget

Joystiq

Joystiq

WoW Insider

WoW

TUAW

TUAW