| Mail |
You might also like: WoW Insider, Joystiq, and more

Reader Comments (40)

Posted: Jan 19th 2010 10:08AM TheJackman said

  • 2 hearts
  • Report
This kind of people need be jailed and banned for life of every use a computer again!

Posted: Jan 19th 2010 10:28AM Berzerk said

  • 3 hearts
  • Report
I could be wrong but I believe that he is the definition of a sociopath/psychopath.

Posted: Jan 19th 2010 11:34AM (Unverified) said

  • 2 hearts
  • Report
Agreed; the guy just doesn't seem to relate to his victims...
Reply

Posted: Jan 19th 2010 10:36AM (Unverified) said

  • 1 heart
  • Report
The most bizarre aspect of this is how the EVE community celebrates and encourages this.

Posted: Jan 19th 2010 10:42AM DrewIW said

  • 2 hearts
  • Report
There's a big difference between in-game scams and out-of-game scams. Scamming for real money and characters is a big no-no, CCP doesn't tolerate it.
Reply

Posted: Jan 19th 2010 12:29PM SgtBaker said

  • 2.5 hearts
  • Report
If you'd actually played EVE you'd know that out-of-game scams and general out-of-game metagaming is as hated in EVE as they are in other games.

In-game scams however.. well those are different.
Reply

Posted: Jan 19th 2010 10:35AM oddshrub said

  • 2 hearts
  • Report
I'm sorry but I'm not going to read the interview as I frankly find it slightly distasteful when pages like massively act as the mountpiece for criminals.

Posted: Jan 19th 2010 10:36AM (Unverified) said

  • 2.5 hearts
  • Report
this guy needs to be found, flogged publically, then turned over to the police! I'm sorry losing your job etc etc is not an excuse to rob others.

Posted: Jan 19th 2010 11:53AM Barinthos said

  • 2 hearts
  • Report
I'm very familiar with the "Time is Money" phrase. But that still doesn't change the reason for my post, which was pointing out the difference between scamming someone out of fake money IN the game, and scamming someone out of real money OUT of the game.
Reply

Posted: Jan 19th 2010 11:54AM Barinthos said

  • 2 hearts
  • Report
Dammit lol, clicked the wrong reply button. This was supposed to be in reply to the comments made to mpdivo.
Reply

Posted: Jan 19th 2010 10:50AM (Unverified) said

  • 2 hearts
  • Report
In my opinion the difference isn't that big.

While CCP will not tolerate it - we in EVE have seen accounts and websites hacked as part of gameplay and then celebrated in the forums. Since scamming for EVE isk is tolerated by CCP, it has become part of gameplay. Hurting somebody, especially the new player is a sport with the ultimate objective of "seeing them cry in the forums".

I find it interesting that this guy started his gaming life as a goon.

Posted: Jan 19th 2010 10:52AM (Unverified) said

  • 2 hearts
  • Report
this guy isnt' scamming people in game..he's using craiglist etc to fake sell accounts thats pretty different then an ingame scam. Though still they shouldn't tolerate stealing accounts. Its one thing to cheat people out of game money but real money and real accounts its just frigging bad.
Reply

Posted: Jan 19th 2010 11:03AM (Unverified) said

  • 2 hearts
  • Report
"You can do more quests, kill more enemies or play the AH in games to get back that lost FAKE money. But get robbed by a low life scam artist of your REAL money? There are no quests for that."

Both things can/have to be recovered with TIME, either working at a day job, or doing quests. Time is the ultimate currency. Get your head around that fact before you advice others to not post here.
Reply

Posted: Jan 19th 2010 11:12AM aurickle said

  • 2.5 hearts
  • Report
With respect to Barinthos, have you ever heard the axiom that "Time is money"? Whether real-world dollars or in-game ISK (or WoW gold, or what have you), the money represents a form of compensation for time spent. In the real world, that is time spent working a job. In the game world, it's time spent doing whatever the game "job" might be. In Eve, that usually means long and monotonous hours spent mining or traveling between systems.

Any time you steal someone's money or belongings, you are stealing the tangible reward for their time -- for their life. It doesn't matter whether the money is real or virtual, you are still robbing the victim of his time. Even if the game developers turn a blind eye as with CCP, it is still morally wrong.
Reply

Posted: Jan 19th 2010 11:15AM DrewIW said

  • 2 hearts
  • Report
"we in EVE have seen accounts and websites hacked as part of gameplay and then celebrated in the forums"

Just wondering if you can post an example of that celebration?

I've had forums attacked and voice servers DDOS'd during fleets, and it's never something that EVE players have celebrated. Meta-gaming like that is really only a small step above real-money and character scamming.
Reply

Posted: Jan 19th 2010 11:39AM (Unverified) said

  • 2 hearts
  • Report
As someone in the fairly rare position of having more money than time (as in, financial expenditure is less of an issue for me than spending time on something), believe me when I say time is valuable. Just because you have a plentiful supply doesn't mean that everyone does, or that you will always be in such a situation...

(and no, I don't MMO any more, I just drop by massively on occasion out of some strange need to feel like I might have time to do so again at some point)
Reply

Posted: Jan 19th 2010 11:54AM Barinthos said

  • 2 hearts
  • Report
I'm very familiar with the "Time is Money" phrase. But that still doesn't change the reason for my post, which was pointing out the difference between scamming someone out of fake money IN the game, and scamming someone out of real money OUT of the game.
Reply

Posted: Jan 19th 2010 12:32PM (Unverified) said

  • 2 hearts
  • Report
You are the typical EVE player Barinthos. I've seen the justification and the defense of it as a game mechanic. I still don't agree with it.

I'll give you a point Drew - your post had me thinking back when that big corp disbanded because the players account was hacked. There was a pretty steady condemnation of that and not so many "I feed off your tears" or "go back to WoW"

It's an interesting social phenomenon to watch though of what the EVE crowd considers right and wrong.

I still think the anything goes attitude inspires many to that level of metagaming and in the case of this one guy, scamming for real money.
Reply

Posted: Jan 19th 2010 12:30PM aurickle said

  • 2 hearts
  • Report
Then you continue to miss the point entirely. Both forms of money are gained through the expenditure of time. Both forms of theft amount to theft of the victim's time. Are you saying that a person's time is worth less to him if it's spent recreationally? I would argue that for many people, their recreational time is the most valuable to them because it is such a rare commodity. They have so many other needs pressing on them that any free time is at a premium for them. Spoiling this time for them by stealing its rewards from them is every bit as bad as stealing real money.

Theft is theft, and theft is wrong.
Reply

Posted: Jan 19th 2010 12:39PM Barinthos said

  • 2.5 hearts
  • Report
Umm...I don't know what gave you the impression that I play EVE, but I assure you that I do NOT play it.

And I wasn't supporting the scamming in the game. In fact, I think that scamming someone out of something they earned whether in a game or in real life is low and the person doing it should get punched in the face.
Reply

Featured Stories

Engadget

Engadget

Joystiq

Joystiq

WoW Insider

WoW

TUAW

TUAW