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Posted: Jan 17th 2010 12:28PM GenericPerson said

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I agree, how about what their stock prices have done since the word he's leaving has been issues? Seriously, someone spends 6 years doing something for the community I'm sure he's thrilled Massively took the time to let the public know of what he's brought to the community.

I for one thank you for your time working with Eve University. 6 years is one awesome commitment.

Posted: Jan 17th 2010 12:51PM (Unverified) said

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E-uni is a cornerstone of the Eve community. Someone who has spent the last 6 years fostering such a community and is stepping away from the house he built is news.

I'm not sure if you ever played EvE but it is a hard game to get into. I've tried several times, but my longest stint was while i flew along side E-UNI. What they do for that game is tremiedous. I've yet to see another guild take up such a huge endevour and stick with it for so long.

Posted: Jan 17th 2010 12:52PM (Unverified) said

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I've always been a bit miffed about Eve University. I like the idea of a corp designed to teach new people how to play but seriously, their rules (http://www.eve-ivy.com/wiki/index.php?title=Ivy_League_Policies) are completely draconian. I've never joined because I pay $15 a month for my Eve account and I'm not letting a corp take away my right to post on the forums (as just one example of something they prohibit).

I don't understand why so many people join, perhaps they see it recommended by other players and don't read their rules first?

Posted: Jan 17th 2010 1:18PM (Unverified) said

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CLB - they are careful about the image they put out into the game and how that can affect the 1500 odd people in the Uni.

There rules are very simple and fair and are for the good of everyone. Eve Uni is a learning corp where people give up their time to teach you about the game.

It is not just any old corp where people can mess about.

You just seem like a whining wow tard.
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Posted: Jan 17th 2010 1:52PM Wensbane said

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His opinion is every bit as valid as yours. In fact, I agree with him! There's absolutely no need for you to be offensive.

Being able to post on the official forums is not something I would ever consider sacrificing, simply to join a tutoring corp. With that said, I fully understand and respect those who would.

EVE is a very complex game and the tutorial (even the new one) doesn't cover that much.
I never had any problems learning stuff on my own, but that was probably due to the fact that I knew where to look for updated information. Not everyone is that "lucky", so I can only thank EVE Uni. for the service they provide. Well done!
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Posted: Jan 17th 2010 1:58PM (Unverified) said

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@Clb: the particular example you choose, of them "restricting" your right to post on the forum is the Uni making it a condition of membership that new pilots do not embarrass it on certain public forums and cause it political difficulties.

The Uni is a common target for wardecs. Poasting in EVE's CAOD forum (often described as an open sewer) or commenting ill-advisedly on threads about the Uni's wars is very likely to make things worse, and 1400 members will suffer for it.

Some of the rules the Uni asks its members to follow _are_ quite strict - those regarding times of war, in particular - but there is a reason for them. The Directorship didn't just wake up one morning and decided to rule over corpchat with an iron fist (Kelduum's occasional Sith references notwithstanding).

"I don't understand why so many people join"

Probably because the requirements (summary: "Be polite, don't be evil, don't poast, don't be deliberately stupid, take war seriously, listen to the directors") are far outweighed by the benefits to a new player of a community of enthusiastic, trustworthy individuals eager to help and provide advice. Pilots are expected to out-grow the restrictions and move on. That's not a bad thing.

@Electrobix: Hugs for the WoW players too, okay? :)
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Posted: Jan 17th 2010 2:05PM (Unverified) said

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@Wensbane: the only two forum restrictions are the ones I mentioned - not at all in CAOD (which most sane players stay away from anyway) and not in public threads about Uni wars (they should be left for the diplomatic staff to deal with).

So there's relatively little sacrifice required. ;)
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Posted: Jan 17th 2010 10:53PM (Unverified) said

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Official Eve Online Forums
IVY members are not authorised to post on the 'Corporations, Alliances and Organizations Center' of the Eve Online forums unless given explicit permission by a director.
IVY members are not authorised to post on any thread on the Eve Online forums which mentions a current or past conflict involving IVY or E-UNI, unless given explicit permission by a director.

Honestly these make perfect sense. You are paying 15 a month for the game, so are the directors of the corp. They have a job to make sure that the corp keeps running, and those who join it has this responsibility as well.

Preventing people who are not authorized/involved in above activities is perfectly reasonable. If you don't like them. Don't join. Really quite simple.

With that said, I've thought about joining e-uni a few times, but I'm not sure I have the time commitment to continue playing eve.
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Posted: Jan 17th 2010 1:09PM Jenks said

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I love the concept of Eve but the game is just so boring. I really hope Dust 514 ties in as much as they're saying it does, I'd love to play in this universe without the Turbotax in space gameplay.

Posted: Jan 17th 2010 2:03PM (Unverified) said

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Well Wensbane I suggest you get the facts right about posting on the forum before agreeing with people talking crap. It is a small area of the forum you can not post on and for good reasons. If you play EVE you will know that inter corp relations are very important.


Rules about the forum below:

Official Eve Online Forums

* IVY members are not authorised to post on the 'Corporations, Alliances and Organizations Center' of the Eve Online forums unless given explicit permission by a director.
* IVY members are not authorised to post on any thread on the Eve Online forums which mentions a current or past conflict involving IVY or E-UNI, unless given explicit permission by a director.

Posted: Jan 17th 2010 2:19PM Wensbane said

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Again... no need to be offensive. You are free to disagree with me, I promise to do my best to respect your opinion, but the fact remains that they impose limitations on the posts you can make on the official forums.

Is the "Corporations, Alliances and Organizations Center" only a sub-section of the official forums?
- Yes. I never said otherwise.

Would I ever sacrifice my liberty to post anything I want in there?
- Certainly not! Even though most of my EVE posts belonged in the Intergalactic Summit, I want to be able to comment on anything I want, anywhere I want.
EVE just wouldn't be the same for me, without that liberty, learn to accept that.

Do I respect EVE University and the services it provides?
- Yes, even though I never had any need for them. I'm very happy it exists for those that DO need them!

Now... is there something else you want to get off your chest? I have dozens of MMOs on my list, maybe you want to call me a "UO jerk" or a "SWG idiot"?
Oh wait! I know, I know... how about a "LotRO simpleton"? Now THAT would be original! xD
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Posted: Jan 17th 2010 2:03PM (Unverified) said

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michael, StE

wow tard /= all wow players.

I have played with some fantastic people in WoW, lead a fantastic guild for 2 years and lead raids for 3 years.

/hugs to the decent people playing wow.

Posted: Jan 18th 2010 4:18AM (Unverified) said

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Wensbane - I think in your case of stupidly no game prefix is required.

Posted: Jan 18th 2010 8:15AM (Unverified) said

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Having been a member of the Uni for some time and having recently dropped corp to spread my wings and see more of New Eden, I would agree that there are good and bad elements to the Uni.

The teaching staff (sadly growing thin on numbers atm) and the general corp members are dedicated and massively helpful to new players in helping people through any number of issues encounter in the game.

The negatives are often highlighted when encountering the officers or administrative staff with in the Uni. Orders passed down from above often take the form of demands or open threats with little in the way of explanation, infractions are responded to with the threat of senior staff blowing up your ships and pod, it's then often left to more rational or calm members to explain to the player at the end of these threats what they have done wrong and why they shouldn't be doing it.

I can see how things have ended up like this, a large part of the admin and officer staff have been inactive for a long period, the ones left active have been covering more and more leading to the teaching and community aspect of the Uni starting to suffer as a result. With the stepping down of MM I'm guessing that the uni will steadily start to see a number of promotions and general boosting of the admin staff, hopefully this will start to repair the teaching and community aspect of the corp which is the very reason for it's existence in the first place.

Posted: Jan 18th 2010 8:31AM Damn Dirty Ape said

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I spent some time in E-UNI and although it wasn't my cup of tea, I respect the time they are commiting to helping new people in one of the least 'new person friendly' games in existence. I ended up leaving due to constant wars and feeling like I was lost in a vast see of newbies. Unfortunately due to the nature and size of E-UNI it often feels as if you need to shout to get your voice heard, and I found I was just learning the game on my own anyway.

Having said that, I'd probably still be playing Eve if I had been more active in the UNI and joined a fun corp afterwards. Instead I fell into the same trap of constant mission running that plagues so many people, got burnt out, and quit.

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