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Posted: Jan 7th 2010 9:53PM (Unverified) said

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I'm a little surprised you have been working in the opinion business for so long before realizing hate mail is inevitable. With that said, keep up the good work and level up the flame retardant suit.

Posted: Jan 7th 2010 10:07PM UnSub said

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Seraphina, by posting this article and attracting all this attention you have taken valuable space from Tateru Nino and Rubi Bayer who need a higher profile if they are to ever succeed.

Why do you hate Nino and Bayer?

;-)

Posted: Jan 8th 2010 2:49AM (Unverified) said

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Hah! It's alright, though. I've gotten *way* more death-threats than Sera.
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Posted: Jan 7th 2010 10:40PM (Unverified) said

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We live in interesting times...
I can understand that its difficult finding out that, as a proffesional writer you can't please all of the people all of the time.
The issue I'm having trouble with here, and it only started to crystalise as I read the comments, is that if this is a proffesional website - where on the line between opinionated blogging and strait up factual reporting does someting like massively lie?
I'd suggest from reading that the author sees massively as striving to be a well respected goto site for well rounded and factually informed opion which is the result of hard work. Thats all well and good, and a fine thing to strive for... but is that what massively really is aiming for? Is it the kind of community awareness that is engendered by an opion post even?
I'm not trying to be dissmisive - I just get the feeling that what you're striving to achieve, and discuss here, is actually undermined by doing it in such a manner...
I suppose then the *real* question is did I miss the point enterely?

Posted: Jan 7th 2010 10:44PM (Unverified) said

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I never could understand why people get so angry about another's opinion, especially when it deals with something that person does to relieve stress. If someone wrote an opinion on a game I played religiously (like those negative opinions I would read back when I played EvE), and I disagreed with it, well, why waste the energy to send them a hate mail when I could be playing that game.

Though this article does give me an idea for a new column you fine people at massively could do... The weekly Email of Shame column! Take the worst email you folks receive, and post it online, just to see the community's reaction!

Anyway, I do enjoy reading your column Seraphina, so please insert the obligatory unicorn colored rainbow comment here (or was that rainbow colored unicorn comment...).

Posted: Jan 7th 2010 11:08PM (Unverified) said

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It's clear to me that Massively staff didn't like Aion, mostly because no matter what updates and improved they throw, it is never published here.
So yes, they are right on that matter.
However that doesn't give them the right to call you out.
It may be considered a "brown" press, but this is site is known for this sort of aberrations...
remember when you guys posted during BC that pallies couldnt tank?
lol.

Posted: Jan 8th 2010 6:36AM (Unverified) said

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This gets to the heart of the problem imo.

What is Massively trying to be? A professional press, journalistic site focusing on the MMO genre, or a collective of bloggers posting their personal opinions?

This isn't made clear at all, if it's the former, then your personal opinion does matter because that becomes the entire sites stance, that Massively is an outlet that dislikes Aion, and Korean/Asian grinders in general. If it's the latter, then that's fine and your opinion is solitary and confined, but the management need to address and decide either way, then let us know.

Massively's biggest problem right now is just that, nobody knows what to make of it, are you a GameSpot or are you a Kotaku?

This is what is really holding the site back.
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Posted: Jan 8th 2010 11:54AM Seraphina Brennan said

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Knqui: I can easily answer this -- we're both.

Most journalistic publications include opinion columns, and we're one of them. This shouldn't be a shock to your system, because, as I've said, lots of other publications do the same thing with columnists like Dear Abbey, political analysts, letters from the editor, etc.

It breaks down like this: When you see one of our opinion column titles, like Anti-Aliased or The Digital Continuum, you know that it includes our opinion. If you note up at the beginning of the article, where it lists the categories the story is filed under, "opinion" will appear. This means it's the opinion of the author.

You can even easily search for our opinion stories by clicking the "opinion" button on the right hand of the screen.

Now, when it comes to news stories, the policy is to give them a clean, no-nonsense rundown. Do we sometimes rank news in order of "importance," like putting a post about a game developer resigning from his company before talking about a patch going to Aion? Yep, we do that. Does it change how we approach the story? Nope.

So, in truth, we here at Massively behave very close to a journalistic publication. We have our opinion side, but that's very minimal (consider I get one column per week) when it's compared to our news side (I post around 20 posts a week, making 19 of them news articles.)
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Posted: Jan 7th 2010 11:01PM Vlo said

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What does nyerk mean? O_o I agree Aion is a huge grind no matter what level you are in that game. Not only just to grind for level advancement, but grind for huge amounts of money for skills and gear, same goes for gathering. Aion is just another generic Korean mmo wrapped in a prettier package. I played through level 48 then quit. Yes through 48, I had A LOT of time and dread playing it after level 27. Reason why I played through all that is because I thought it might get better, but it did not.

I got to say TNO and Abedeus are overly sensitive. Getting butt hurt because you called it grindy even though you were level 17. I think they went over the line with bashing your job as a reviewer because you gave your opinion on AIon. As I see it reviews are opinions of the reviewer, you'll find some who agree and some who do not. But those guys didn't have to put down your job and calling you names. I find it pathetic on their part.

Posted: Jan 7th 2010 11:01PM Valdur said

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Sera,like many here you are my favourite writter on Massively whether I agree or not with your opinions.

Unfortunately this thread sounds more like a QQ about your job because it's a reaction on your part of what have been said on what you wrote.I would have prefer this thread to have been written in another circumstances.

Being a level 43 Aion player (and I like the game) I confirm no matter what level you are,the game is a grind.The Aion source community is a minority of jerks with some Elitism delusions who flame anybody with an opinion different than theirs.

Don`t let these poeple get into your head :)

Posted: Jan 7th 2010 11:05PM whateveryousay said

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If you're always wrong, I don't want to know what's right.

*wink*

Keep suffering for my entertainment and i'll be there to read every article. I'm sure the trolls will too. After all, who else is going to listen to their muck?

Posted: Jan 7th 2010 11:16PM CalebG said

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Interesting article, even if it is just to know more about how a journalist lives his/her life.

I believe it is the perception of those who visit Massively. I visit to keep updated on the on-goings of the online game universe, and occasionally read the more interesting articles, namely, those that don't end at the summery.

My perception on the Anti-Aliased column and Seraphina as a journalist is that she writes based on her own opinions, if the titles of the past Anti-Aliased columns do not make that obvious enough.

But, of course, with news syndication and what have you not, often a times you have people coming in to see something specifically written, and that's when all hell breaks lose.

So with that said, maybe all it takes is a disclaimer of sorts before any opinion-laden post.

Sadly, just as you have your opinions, other have too. Educated or not, Jumping to conclusions or not, they will exist, and will continue to exist.

Posted: Jan 7th 2010 11:26PM Suplyndmnd said

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I think people get confused with what you are trying to say are facts and what is just your opinion. Fact: Aion exists. Fact: Aion is a grind. Opinion: Aion sucks. Opinion: The grind is not worth it. They can be close but you have to be able to understand and have rational thought. Fanboyism is a disease that first attacks the rational part of the brain. The simple point is it's your opinion that it sucks. Just because your opinion differs doesn't mean the game is bad just that YOU didn't like it. People fail to realize this. I think it's because they have invested time and money and for everyone to not like it they feel they have to defend their liking and supporting it. Which is great but only to a certain degree.

People dislike FFXI but I love it. I played for over 4 years and it was amazing. But there were people who hated it. For a multitude of reasons giving (most valid reasons) but where those reasons fall on your importance scale differs. I got used to the horrid interface (yeah, it was horrid) and I liked the grind and extreme learning curve. Probably why I like EvE Online too.

There is a reason there are hundreds of MMO's because there is tons of people who want something different and those appeal to different areas of the public. Keep doing a fantastic job writing and reviewing and don't sweat the idiots. I don't always agree with you but I like a different point of view on something. Also, being crap at PvP doesn't mean anything. I suck at it and Play Warhammer Online and PvP all the time. It's still fun though i'm not good at it. That's the point of a game. To make even things you suck at and hate fun. And if there is ANYTHING i hate, it's PvP.

Posted: Jan 8th 2010 1:38AM Its Utakata stupid said

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They should rename AionSource, Ad HominemSource...

...how long was it before they stopped harping about your toon being lv 17 when you dislosed to them it was no longer your main? Or that the fact that you repeated that your conclusion of the game wasn't your opinion or views alone. It's common knowledge that Aion is a grind fest. Even it's devs have admitted to it...that's why they're bringing all those lv'ling curve changes. Yet the denialism of that fact in attacking you was gross and unfair if not abusive.

I and understand how this would shake you up, Seraphina to write about it. I am glad you did. But as others have mentioned...don't let this get to you too much. You are quite likely right. And AionSource is most certainly wrong in this arguement. In the end...that is the bottom line.

Posted: Jan 8th 2010 6:33AM (Unverified) said

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My highest character in Aion is like 16. I was able to form an opinion by then. So I un-subbed.

Posted: Jan 8th 2010 9:25AM (Unverified) said

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People who buy World of Warcraft gold screw over every MMO game out. Thank you come again.

Posted: Jan 8th 2010 8:26AM Thorium88 said

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I'm not just an old-school gamer, I'm an OLD gamer. Seriously, I had already flung more dice than most people would ever see by the time folks started wondering if this new "Pong" thing would spark a trend in electronic gaming.
And in all that time there have been darn few names from gaming "journalism" that I bothered to remember. I only remembered them because I knew when I saw those names that there would be something that would be worth my time to sit down & read.
You're one of those names.
Good on ya.

Posted: Jan 8th 2010 9:10AM Klojamir said

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You suck! This article sucks! it all sucks!

LOL

I Kid
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This is all good stuff, I knew you guys got a lotta crap like that, sorry man. Glad you do it though, gives me something to do while at work.
Keep it up!

Posted: Jan 8th 2010 11:24AM mszv said

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I like your articles -- good writing, interesting opinions. I don't always agree, but it's great to read an article where someone has an interesting and different opinion. I like your articles, and I like the articles from the other writers -- good professional writing about the genre. Excellent work.

A lot of internet communities are very flamey, people post in an angry fashion. It's everywhere. I think the game community -- even more so. I'm still trying to find a set of game forums where people post interesting comments, with little flaming, and respect for the opinions of others. I'm still looking, though The Escapist is often good.

It's even worse when you look at sites for individual games. My preference is alway for a site where community management works and people respect other people's opinions. I'm also a fan of good community management.

I think the community here is good -- not necessarily the emails you get, but the comments. I think that's because they manage the site here, thankfully, and you do get a good group of posters here. Email may be different -- people sometimes go crazy over personal comments.

What's always interesting is that game players, particularly people who play MMORPGS - they seem to hate the genre. Why is that, I wonder.

Posted: Jan 8th 2010 11:31AM (Unverified) said

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Take it easy, Sera. As you said, it's your job. Keep up!

Hugs.

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