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Posted: Dec 24th 2009 5:12PM (Unverified) said

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Canceled my account last night. Will see what the future holds for AION, and will watch it closely. Hopefully they add more stuff to "hide the grind" and make it a more enjoyable experience to play.

Posted: Dec 24th 2009 5:36PM JayFiveAlive said

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I hope they don't hide the grind... I enjoy the grind! I don't understand why everyone thinks a game should be for everyone... different things appeal to different people. Make less grindy, outcast others, leave the same outcast others.

I hope they leave it...
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Posted: Dec 24th 2009 6:10PM (Unverified) said

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JayFiveAlive said on 5:36PM 12-24-2009
"I don't understand why everyone thinks a game should be for everyone."

Erm, revenue?
No organisation-for-profit doesn't want their product to have mass appeal. Aion isn't 'your' game, JayFiveAlive. If it 'belongs' to anyone, it's the shareholders of NCSoft, and they want money; lots of it.
Whilst you may enjoy the grind, the vast majority of Eastern players do not.

Get over it.
(Actually, you should go play Failen Earth - all anyone does there is tell people to 'go play wow'. You'd fit right in!)
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Posted: Dec 24th 2009 6:28PM Tizmah said

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Hard to believe there are actually people out there that enjoy a mundane, repetitive task as their source of entertainment. I'd rather just get a lack-luster retail job and quit gaming if that were the case. You'd be having a hayday.

Like Amana said though, they make the game to make money. America as a whole isn't looking for a grinder. Heck, even Asia is finally starting to grow out of that cesspool (slowly though).

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Posted: Dec 24th 2009 5:57PM Ivasen said

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There are a lot of things I look forward to, my top two are

1) Less clunky flight Take offs and falling animations (flailing your arms when you intentionally jumped off something isn't really cool looking)

2) Going into water and not sinking like a rock. (Because with the body types you can choose, you should be able to swim faster than Michael Phelps)

Posted: Dec 24th 2009 6:27PM TheJackman said

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not gonna happen anytime soon ;D
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Posted: Dec 24th 2009 7:48PM Neurasthenic said

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I struggled with a great deal of indecision this winter break on whether I should resubscribe to Aion or LotRO. Lord of the Rings won.

Not a fan of the excessively dramatic "too little too late" crowd - I think Aion's a good game. But for some reason I was trying to ignore the fact that it's so PvP focused. And I hate PvP. Not sure why I preordered and hyped it up while ignoring that important tidbit.

Posted: Dec 24th 2009 8:31PM Cendres said

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I don't PvP either and I pre-ordered because even though that kills a lot of the content for me Aion is still more suited to my tastes then anything currently out. Fallen Earth was the unexpected surprise. :)

I think LotrO is a fine game, but I couldn't go back to it.

@Amana and Ronix McWoW is that way -----> This is why they tell you to leave in Aion and FE:

The problem with making all the games like the most successful one is that they will ALL fail because you cannot replace what is already there. This is why people fight to keep their games the way it was meant to be. When you try to change too much from what your core fans want you lose them and then you end up with an angry mob leaving left and right and then you close down. Look at Vanguard, I'm not sure how many here followed that game after it's launch and it's attempt at revival, but I remember when it got watered down little by little and the fans told the devs to stop but they were not listened to...

I'm not saying the answer is clear cut, but I really hope we're not doomed to cave to the most common denominator in games, because that's the road to a serious lack of imagination. Know your audience and stick to them. :)

Posted: Dec 24th 2009 11:04PM (Unverified) said

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While I agree that games shouldn't conform to standard practices just to up profits, one of the biggest barriers to entry for Aion is the overwhelming amount of grind. And I may be misinformed here, but I don't think that shit-tons of grind is what most of people play Aion for. If someone is just playing Aion to grind away levels for months on end, there are loads of F2P games out there that they could be playing instead. I think that NCsoft could easily make Aion more accessible without disappointing the current players. There's no reason to keep an outdated gameplay device used by devs to artificially extend the amount of time players have to play their game by forcing players who have completed all content available to them to do repetitive tasks to advance in the game. It's a snake oil technique that has no place in the modern game industry and there's no reason that it should continue to be one of the major barriers to entry for Aion.
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Posted: Dec 24th 2009 11:18PM Cendres said

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Overwhelming? Really? It takes 6-8 months to reach cap does it? I've said it before, way prior launch Aion fans were asked what as acceptable to them as leveling speed and we told NCsoft and they gave us a median between very easy leveling like in WoW, LotrO (somewhat but not as much), EQ2 ect... and Lineage 2 and FFXI.

Now people that just came are all up in arms about it.... :/ And wonder why the people that want a little bit more time spent between levels tell them to go back to WoW.

Know your audience, you cannot please everyone and all.

Anyway, Happy Holidays Massively and posters!!! ^_^
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Posted: Dec 25th 2009 6:08AM (Unverified) said

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CindyL,

Firstly - Merry Christmas to you also, and all the staff and readers @ Massively.
I genuinely wish you all a wonderful time befitting the season, and I hope all your season's wishes come true.
And thank you for another year of entertaining and informative articles and commentary =)

In response to your comments in this thread, CindyL - I guess it's an argument that can go around in circles until the cow's come home, so I won't fuel it irresponsibly.
All I will say is, that whilst I too believe in ensuring there are options to cater for all styles and tastes, sadly most investors seek only one thing; an exponential and timely return on their investment.

Unless a game is deliberately budgeted towards a niche market, it will be expected to not only turn a profit, but also to attain substantial and recurring growth.
Having 'fans' ostracize potential or borderline subscribers is most certainly not beneficial to the health of the organisation behind the game, and therefore the game itself.

You call Wow 'McWow, thus revealing your abhorrence of the game for no doubt many reasons. However, no matter what those reasons may be, founded or otherwise, it remains that it's the only MMO on the planet that has subscribers outnumbering all others by an amount so vast that it's beyond compare.
One could also argue that if so many individuals pay $15 per month to play it, then it has mass appeal, ergo it does many things 'right'.

The feeling I get from you is that you are championing the underdog - which I see no problem with. In fact it's folk like yourself that are a catalyst for change in many regards and that's to be applauded and treasured. However when your enthusiasm is tainted by 'elitism', it undermines your honour.
I guess Seraphina has recently spoke about this in her article, so I needn't go on.

Bottom line is: When I visit a new virtual world and have genuine questions, the very last thing that will leave a good taste in my mouth is being told to 'go play wow'.
If it's the developers and employees that say something like this, then so be it. But when it's the players themselves, you're simply alienating the game's potential and limiting it's scope, which nine times out of ten leads to a dwindling (albeit passionate) population and a struggling existence, coupled with no budget for further development.

Nobody wants that, surely?

With all the best for the upcoming New Year,
Amana.
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Posted: Dec 25th 2009 9:31AM Cendres said

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@ Amana, thanks for thoughtful response, all I have to add is this:

"You call Wow 'McWow, thus revealing your abhorrence of the game for no doubt many reasons"

Actually no, I don't have anything against WoW other then everyone seems to want to make any new game like that one. There's nothing wrong with some imitation even it's inevitable for true progress. What I have a problem with is trying to change what a game is going for to placate the vocal ones.

I don't have anything at all against new ideas and additions that may help out the game, but things like declining the leveling curve and making changes in the name of accessibility has had a negative impact. (Note: I have NOTHING against adding content either, more content to make those levels mean something is essential)

Like you don't like being told go back to WoW, I really don't like seeing: Why don't just do this and that, like in WoW?

:) I guess it goes both ways.
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Posted: Dec 24th 2009 11:35PM (Unverified) said

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Cancelled my account last month.There is nothing wrong with the amount of time it take sto cap in Aion in fact evne longer would be better IMO.What is lacking is engaging content to keep you interested in getting to cap.The game is fine til mid to high 30s thne your stuck grinding mobs solo or grindinig the same elite mobs in groups ad nauseum very little of your levels after tha tis covered by quests or crafting or anything remotely fun.For a game that is in reality a year + old there is a severe lack of content both in levelling and in the end game.

Posted: Dec 25th 2009 11:55PM TheGreatMachine said

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A FREAKING CASH SHOP?!
This is the first thing on their agenda??

How out of touch is this company. Or do they simply not care in favour of a cash grab while there's enough of a population left to profit from it?

Completely satisfied with cancelling my sub earlier this week. Good riddance

Posted: Dec 28th 2009 3:56PM Its Utakata stupid said

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Though I agree with you in the sense that this new cash shop is an annoying if not somewhat uselss feature that is distracting away the real issues of the game. It's is only a vanity shop...not a Bill Roper respec or a gPotato potion n' gear shop. Instead it's MT more akin to what McWoW (using CindyL's phrase) has currently, which does not really effect anything ingame. So um...take a pill, please. :)
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Posted: Dec 28th 2009 2:46AM (Unverified) said

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TheGreatMachine said on 11:55PM 12-25-2009 -
This is'nt casch shop its service and pay that it, like in WoW or every game wich you need to pay for transfer caracthere or change your name that it.


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I still play aion the hard part it after 35 as some as say grinding in group might be cool , but this is'nt abordable to everyone to gather a grp each time they play, that the trouble.

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