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Posted: Dec 1st 2009 10:24AM dudes said

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Yay. Now roll on Incarna.

Posted: Dec 1st 2009 10:49AM (Unverified) said

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Here are all the EVE Blogging Community's posts on the changes!!

http://www.eve-druid.com/edbp

Posted: Dec 1st 2009 11:45AM kasapina said

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I've always found the articles on eve interesting, but whenever I try the trial, I find I have nothing to do on the 2nd day. I am a fan of PvP, but eve's is a little too hardcore. Mining is a plain grind, and I find trading to be a way to achieve a certain goal ( amassing 1x10^n ISK isnt a goal btw). So what kind of goals do you people actually have in eve?

Posted: Dec 1st 2009 12:33PM Wgraves said

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when i first started in eve my goal was to get into a 0.0 alliance... did that, got bored.

then i wanted to get into faction warfare, did that, was successful.

then i wanted to lead a corp into wh space, did that, made retarded amounts of isk.

now im back in FW, working up to the highest ranking in standing for minnie republic (i like the nifty medal).

there is no end game in eve, and thus no real goals, just have fun and blow stuff up :)
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Posted: Dec 1st 2009 12:40PM DrewIW said

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"( amassing 1x10^n ISK isnt a goal btw)"

Why not? The route to that particular goal (trading) might not be fun or engaging for everyone, but it's certainly a valid thing to work towards, just like working for x kills, x number of systems held etc

Obviously the bottom-line goal has to be fun. If it's not fun and engaging, you shouldn't be paying for it. Past that though, there are plenty of broad goals to work towards in EVE.

"I want to be rich"
"I want to be famous"
"I want power"
"I want to make internet spaceships 'spode"

Once you've set a broad goal, you can start to narrow down how you want to achieve it. You can get rich by playing the market, or by infiltrating and plundering corps. These are two drastically different paths to the same goal.

Alternatively, you can approach it the other way around. Start with a narrow goal like "I want to probe and explore wormholes". Then broaden that focus. You can explore to gather parts for advanced manufacturing, you can explore to plunder rare and expensive loot, or you can explore to blow up other explorers. You're using the same narrow focus to achieve a broad range of goals.

If that kind of thinking doesn't work, then EVE might just not be for you. Elitist EVE players will interpret this as some sign that you're an inferior being, but they're just being assholes. EVE is a heavily idiosyncratic game, and there can be all kinds of reasons that it does or doesn't click for people.
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Posted: Dec 1st 2009 1:23PM spamero said

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gief my 5 torps phoon now!

Posted: Dec 1st 2009 1:44PM Addfwyn said

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I think what kills Eve for me is a lack of any kind of real story. I know, there's background story for each faction and the world, but that's it.

When I started doing missions, I got really excited to hear that a 'storyline' mission will open up after you do so many of the normal (and very generic and lame) missions. But I was massively disappointed to see that the 'storyline' mission is the exact same thing, just with bigger standing differences.

In every MMO, there's some kind of ongoing story. Aion, there's the struggle between the Elyos and Asmodean. Even in WoW, there's the (currently) struggle against the Lich King.

There's nothing like that in Eve, you are just dropped into space and told to 'have at it'. There aren't any real goals to work towards, unless accruing money and skills is a goal to you. I consider money (ISK in eve) simply a means to an end, but there isn't really any 'end' in EVE. I think that's where it really lacks for me. There isn't even a sense of progression from levelling, just training more skills.

Even after all that, the options you have in EVE are pretty limited until you get very advanced. Nobody can compete in manufacturing without maxed manufacturing skills, cause you can't compete unless you can make an item as efficient as everybody else. This generally leaves you with paying several months for a game you can't even play until you get the required skills up.

Posted: Dec 1st 2009 2:16PM DrewIW said

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No story?

The Great War, The Dronelands War, GHSC heists, etc

These are all stories driven by player actions, not a developer with a word processor. That makes it all the more valuable.
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Posted: Dec 1st 2009 3:21PM (Unverified) said

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have to say that the expansion is beautiful. Definitely the most beautiful game out there.


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