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Posted: Oct 30th 2009 4:09AM Omega2k3 said

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Wow, you fail for suggesting a change to a power that, in all actuality, is really only meant to knock down flying enemies that not everyone can fight - into a normal damage attack. Is that honestly your complaint?
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Posted: Oct 29th 2009 11:35PM (Unverified) said

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The Celestial Power set was a necessary set. It has a few powers that make a support role more playable. In my opinion, it should have been there at the beginning. So I don't think it's that spectacular that they're adding it for free.

Also, the main negative comment about Champions is it's lack of endgame content, and group content in general, and that is still very much a problem. Blood Moon kept me occupied for a couple of days, but now it's boring again.

Also, there's the power balance problem, esp in PvP. But with the openness of the ability system, they were asking for trouble in this area, lol.

As far as retconning goes...there's not much they can do. They pretty much have to offer retcons. Their system has no innate balance, Cryptic has to balance every single individual power while still keeping them individual powers. And even then, there will be powers that are better than others. Can't complain about that part, though to be honest I wish it were even easier - and I'm not super-casual, and am the first to speak up against instant gratification gameplay. It's just the system. It can't be helped. For example, right now I have one single power that's a little redundant. I'd like to get rid of it. But I have to either buy a retcon, or wait and see if they give another free one. *shrug* I'm not doing flavor of the month, overpowering builds, it's just a simple, single change that in their system requires a complete rewrite.

Posted: Oct 29th 2009 11:36PM (Unverified) said

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Oh wait, I forgot. I'm posting in the comments
So I must be a rabid troll, according to this blogger

RABBLE RABBLE RABBLE RABBLE
that is all
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Posted: Oct 30th 2009 1:35AM Samael said

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What you did not buy 1000 Sera Point flame retardant ear muffs, shame on you. Don't you know that everyone who speaks ill of dear old Cryptic is just being a massive troll and is not worth listening to.

I am hoping in early 2010 they add more content, the game really feels like it was shipped half finished. Lets not talk about WoW doing that because at the time of launch it had little to no competition and huge brand name such as Warcraft behind it. People expect more now and rightfully so. That is what keeps the industry moving forward. But to the die hard fanboys of this game, such as Seraphina, we are all idiots for expecting more from a game and should be ashamed of ourselves.
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Posted: Oct 30th 2009 2:10AM Seraphina Brennan said

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If y'all have problems with the bulk of the game, then y'all have problems with the bulk of the game. I'm certainly not questioning that.

What this article goes against is the needless complaining that the C-Store somehow undoes the fundamentals of the game -- it doesn't. Never did I say the game was perfect, I simply said that the C-Store is not the source of the game's problems, so we need to stop putting it there. The store itself is a competitive set of services and items offered when compared to other games, and doesn't unbalance gameplay with what's offered.

Now, does CO have problems? Certainly it does. Am I fangirl? Probably not, as I really don't spend that much time playing it. Do you guys make perfectly valid points? Absolutely, but it just wasn't the focus of the article.
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Posted: Oct 30th 2009 2:15AM Joystiq Login Bugs SUCK said

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Well actually MrGutts it is stated Massively policy that they won't offer a review on an MMO and I believe they can't accept a gift worth more than US$20.

So even though the OP has been greyed out by the fanboys I do need to wonder if the author of this post should disclose who pays for their subscription.

Posted: Oct 30th 2009 2:29AM Seraphina Brennan said

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All right, I'll bite.

I paid 60 bucks of my own money to purchase this game when it came out. I had it pre-ordered at GameStop, so I got the airfoil wings that I never use.

I pay 15 bucks a month out of my own pocket to continue playing the game. I also pay 15 a month for Aion and EVE Online. That's right, I pay 45 dollars in subscription fees per month, just so I can continue covering these games.

Dude, I'm a gamer just like you. Just because I write for a popular website doesn't mean anything is handed to me on a silver platter. And, because I can't accept a gift over 20 bucks, I can guarantee to you that I didn't get the game or the lifetime subscription. If you want to believe that Cryptic is paying my subscription costs, that's your business, but you can choose to believe me when I say they don't.

As to our advertisers, I've stated in previous posts that the marketing department is handled at the corporate AOL level. I have no clue how that's done, and I don't want to know how that's done. That's not my business. I don't know who's advertising on this site at any given time, or how much they pay, or anything like that.

In fact, I choose the topic of my column every week about 2 hours before I write it. XD It's really hard for people to tell me what to write when I don't know what I'm about to write.

So, as to the advertising, I don't know and I don't care. It's not my business. I'm here to write, and write I do.

Posted: Oct 30th 2009 2:47AM (Unverified) said

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I pretty much could careless about the C Store. I think its pretty lame that a game was "rushed" out by Atari to recoup their money. My guess was Atari came to Cryptic sometime in the spring or early summer and told them to release it in a playable state. I have a feeling these new costumes and power set were planned to be included at launch but did not make it in time. So instead of added them to a patch like most companies do they decide to make us pay for them.

Its like if we had to pay for each Tier set Wow released with each content patch. Want Tier 8 pay us 400 Blizz bucks.

Fanboys or Whiners we all have a voice so to call someone out because they voice their opinion including the blogger on this site is pretty lame. I am personally walking away from this game. I am the last of 4 friends that tried it out and I really wanted it to be good. I mean to add quests to fill content gaps and they are defeat 150 mobs here quests. Really??

So I think at this point the C Store is the least of their worries. I hope for the fans of this game they turn it around but I have a feeling we will see more and more resources shifted to STO or some other project when Cryptic finally gives up on this game.

Posted: Oct 30th 2009 3:01AM Zensun said

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"They both want vastly different things. One side believes that the retcon shouldn't even be in the store, while the other wants to be able to respect quickly and cheaply."

Eh? It should be both - you should be able to respec quickly and easily (maybe earn respecs by doing in game missions, paying in-game currency, or just have it free with a one-day cool down), and you should NOT be able to buy it in the store unless you can relatively easily earn one in-game. That's a clear in-game advantage that they're selling to players.

Posted: Oct 30th 2009 3:09AM Seraphina Brennan said

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Remember RJ that a retcon in Champions is a full on character wipe. It's your stats, your powers, and essentially how your character functions on a core level. It's a bit too powerful to use so easily, as it would just allow players to respec to take on one situation, and then entirely re-invent themselves to take on another situation instead of seeking help from other players and teaming up.

While I see what you mean, I don't think it's a good idea considering the game design.
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Posted: Oct 30th 2009 4:07AM (Unverified) said

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The fluff stuff, whatever, it's fluff, sell it all you want.

But the retcon, or respec, or whatever you want to call it, charging for that is just dirty, and making it very inaccessible in game cost is even worse. Here's why: Cryptic can, has, and will break and mess up powers. This then makes your own build, whatever it may be, broken. This may, and in most cases will, require a redo, a respec, a retcon. Charging for that is just wrong, as Cryptic can then purposely break things, make excuses, and force players to pay to get their game properly playable once again.

Cryptic has been very greedy with this game. They charge for the box copy, charge for a subscription, made a huge money grab on the life-time subscriptions, and have an over-priced virtual goods store. It's all about being greedy. I hope that this triple dipping method fails. Double dipping is bad enough, but triple dipping is just ridiculous. It's nothing but greedy, and I for one will enjoy seeing Cryptic fail.

Posted: Oct 30th 2009 4:18PM Psychotic Storm said

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Are we playing the same game?

Cryptic has handed out 3 free total retcons and my main character has enough resources to buy two times a retcon and he isn't 40 yet.

sorry I do not think you and me play the same CO, maybe you never logged after 1/9
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Posted: Oct 30th 2009 5:16AM (Unverified) said

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This review of the C-Store was published a week ago. It makes a few similar points. You might want to check it out or link to it in the article:

Review of the Champions Online Cash Microtransaction Shop (C-Store)

http://www.brighthub.com/video-games/mmo/reviews/52995.aspx

Posted: Oct 30th 2009 11:39AM Suspiro said

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Excellent series of articles on C.O. there as well. Meant to link to it earlier but glad you beat me to it.
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Posted: Oct 30th 2009 5:28AM (Unverified) said

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Seraphina Brennan, how many level 40s do you have in Champions Online?

1) There are a zillion ways to mess up your character whether you "do your homework" or not. I've had to help countless guildmates fix their characters after they made very logical, but unfortunately very bad, choices.

2) People like me are the exception. I enjoy crunching numbers and planning builds. Most people don't. Most people don't pay $50 + $15 a month so they can "do their homework" instead of actually playing the game they paid for.

The solution to making people team up more is not making them have gimpy characters because they regret power picks. That's asinine.

The free retcons, while nice, come only when Cryptic feels like it. They changed the way their entire stat system - twice - and didn't give people a retcon for a month. They also had weekly nerf patches. No surprise - they lost about half their players during that month.

To effectively only have access to a reasonable priced retcon when Cryptic feels like it is not a solution. A real system is inherently balanced so people can reasonable obtain them when THEY need them - not when Cryptic wants to give them.

And since they don't stack, the fact that they gave out three actually turns into 1 for a lot of people.

Posted: Oct 30th 2009 5:39AM (Unverified) said

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And I'll back Sera up. I also purchased the game (though I didn't preorder, I bought it on day one), and I pay my monthly fee. I don't get compensated for those costs.

We're actively discouraged from knowing who our advertisers are. The ads are hidden away from me. I suppose I could find out which ads were showing if I were determined, but I'm not actually interested in finding out.

That's the truth of it, and some people will never, ever believe it, because the truth is *way* less interesting than some of the stories they make up. :)

Posted: Oct 30th 2009 6:23AM (Unverified) said

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Okay. Firstly, there shall be a leaving alone of Sera.

Sera likes CO, that's fine. I prefer CoH. I put my thoughts on The C Store here ( http://echoesofnonsense.blogspot.com/2009/10/cash-cow-store.html )and yes I'm against it.

Even so my bit is also an opinion bit with the same sort of "rough but not really equal because the games aren't cloned" comparisons.

The question I want to ask of Cryptic is this. Did you honestly forget everything you did in City of Heroes and Champions is the result? Some of the things they do really are a bit confusing when taken in the context of they're the ones who have created the only two Hero MMOs on the market.

Posted: Oct 30th 2009 4:43PM Psychotic Storm said

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On the other hand Cryptic is committed to not charge for any power set or if they do it will still be available ingame for free.

Personally I think critics of Cstore cling way too much on the retcon, that is achievable in game and as far as plans go will also be given free at level 40 along with another character slot (for each character!) imagine that you level a character to 40 and get another character slot just like that.

and forget that Cryptic provided 2 free costume sets (zombie and celestial) and some other free costume pieces with the blood moon patch.
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Posted: Oct 30th 2009 8:45AM (Unverified) said

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Champions Online has become the red-headed step child of the MMO genre. Most of the things folks complain about can be found on any other MMO. The bottom line, if the player doesn't like the IP, it's "in" to flame the hell out of the game. This is pretty much the case of any MMO that has recently launched. People want the game to follow what they've learned elsewhere. When it doesn't and they can't figure it out... they blame the game.

It's kind of like that Ron White bit where he talked about doing a show at Fort Polk and he references the service men population of 4,000... At which point a woman in the audience yells out, "Everyone of them is a bad **ck." To which he replies... "After 3,999 times you would think you'd figure out... maybe it's me." Bottom line, Champions is a good game. Fun, enjoyable and too hard for many.

Posted: Oct 30th 2009 8:11AM MtthwRddl said

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People act like CO is the first MMO to be released unfinished, with a lack of content, and a bunch of bugs. Get real. Most MMOs are released like this. I've experience too many betas to realize this.

You don't like CO, go to Fallen Earth. You'll find bugs, a lack of end game, etc. Go to Aion. You'll find gold spammers, and an enormous grind.

I find it funny that people expect CO to have this tremendous amount of content 2 months after release. Many developers spend the first months fixing bugs and making sure the game works before focusing mainly on adding content.

Is adding content really that important? Look at Warhammer Online. They focused on adding content from release and their fanbase bashed them for not fixing bugs and gameplay problems (or failures).

I guess MMOs can't get it right, huh? If they add additional content, players bash them for not fixing bugs and if they fix bugs, players bash them for not adding enough extra content (for free).

Get real. Stop pissing on everyone's sunny days. If you don't having fun, then go play some other game. There is a good chance you'll find something else to complain about regardless of your MMO of choice. Just keep your comments to yourself if they aren't constructive.

I feel bad for the writer of this article. I felt the article was very well written and I agreed with pretty much every single point. I played CO since launch and canceled my account after the free month.

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