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Posted: Oct 30th 2009 2:36AM Seraphina Brennan said

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I'll concede to that. It really isn't simple, and I wanted to point that out more, but I was already over wordage for this week's column. There are the emotes and powers being offered in the packs as well, plus Superscience offers the whole gender change plastic surgeon option too. SCIENCE!

However, it is a pairing of similar services and it was the best one I could make. Cryptic is, in the least, staying mildly competitive with other offerings. Are they perfectly the same? No.
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Posted: Oct 29th 2009 6:50PM saintnicster said

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Show us on the doll where Roper and Emmert touched you...

Posted: Oct 29th 2009 6:51PM MrGutts said

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Yes the new FCC regulations are in effect now, that do make reviewing sites disclose those details when making a official review.

Posted: Oct 29th 2009 6:53PM (Unverified) said

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You may not be getting any new powers for your purchase but... oh... wait... what's that? The Celestial power set is being added for free? As in, you don't have to buy anything from the shop? I guess you are getting new powers for the low, low cost of you not paying anything. - Direct quote

Just a nitpick, since you brought up the entire 'Free new power set' bit in the same part where you compared CO to CoH (even if you did just mention the Super Boosters), CO is NOT the only game to add new power sets after launch FOR FREE. CoH for example has added Willpower (for melee types), Dual Blades (Melee again), Thugs (Pet summoning), Sonic Attack (Ranged), Trick Arrow (Debuffers), and even four brand new classes, all for free. And that's not even all the free power sets that have been added, nor is it even mentioning the power sets that were meant for one class that ended up being modified and brought over to others, all for free. So implying that CO may have an advantage /in an article about a game related store/, because they're giving something away that the competition has given away, for free, several times before, is very misleading.

Posted: Oct 29th 2009 10:11PM Eamil said

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I think his point wasn't that CO is better than CoH because of the free power set, I think he was saying that a lot of C-store naysayers were suggesting that things like new power sets would be sold from the C-store, and obviously that's turned out to be wrong.
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Posted: Oct 29th 2009 10:11PM Eamil said

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She* Excuse me. =P
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Posted: Oct 30th 2009 9:01AM (Unverified) said

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Oh, I understand x(wai)x. And while I may of come of a bit more emotional than I meant to be, my big point was was basically that by comparing two games when it comes to things you pay for, then almost immediately going on to the subject free stuff being added to one game without saying that other games have added similar things can and does sound like an implication that the other game has never added similar things for free as well.
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Posted: Oct 29th 2009 6:56PM Suspiro said

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Let's not forget that greed is just that, plain and simple. It needs no reason or explanation and that's exactly what Cryptic's motivation is behind every single calculated move they make until they completely destroy CO.

Posted: Oct 29th 2009 7:29PM (Unverified) said

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Because a company / business trying to make money by offering services that they don't need to offer is... greedy? Welcome to capitalism comrade, I hope you enjoy your trip away from communism.
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Posted: Oct 29th 2009 10:09PM Eamil said

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Did you seriously just say that Cryptic is deliberately killing Champions Online because of.... greed?

Deliberately killing a game people pay a monthly fee for.

Thus depriving them of money.

Out of greed.

My mind, she is blown.
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Posted: Oct 29th 2009 7:35PM (Unverified) said

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Sakura Park

Posted: Oct 29th 2009 8:33PM (Unverified) said

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Your mom's basement.
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Posted: Oct 29th 2009 9:33PM Firebreak said

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So is your face
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Posted: Oct 29th 2009 7:49PM (Unverified) said

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If this article had any effort to actually speak the truth then it would cover the history of the retcons.

How Cryptic said they were going to lower the price but never did. How at least for the first while after the launch day patch when tons of powers were nerfed the retcons were pretty much impossible to afford without leveling to max then earning the money.

Even Massive had staff that said in articles they couldn't play characters for over a week due to them being ruined by launch day patch. Time estimates were at around 900 hours with the cash drops to earn that much money.

Everyone that paid and specificly went out of the way to purchase the pre-order that included the headstart that picked certain powers was left losing the entire HS of playtime due to not having a working character for a week.

The Retcons are totallly dependant on what Cryptic decides to patch, they cost almost as much as a single month.

How much you want to bet the game has massively swinging balance changes every few months when they need cash flow? Nerf the 5 most popular power sets and have tons of players be forced to retcon and bang loads of cash!

Whats amazing is that a gaming site dedicated to bringing more people into the MMO genre then says that anyone that needs a retcon is saying things like :

"And, to be very honest, don't let people kid you -- the only reason you might screw up your character in Champions is because you didn't do your homework"

So a new player to the MMO genre has to do homework or end up with a ruined character? Is the purpose of the MMO genre to bring in new players or to just feed off a static playerbase? Guess what new MMO players don't do homework because they are new MMO players.

Entire reason WOW is so successful is due to being open to new MMO players. The future growth of this gamesite is dependant on a stream of new readers which come from *Gasp* new MMO players?

But why would anyone come here to not only not be informed so as to spend money wisely but in fact be just flat out lied to and deceived?

Grats you lost a reader. Try informing your audience instead of just pushing product so you can get more ad revenue.

Posted: Oct 29th 2009 7:55PM Arcadian said

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"How much you want to bet the game has massively swinging balance changes every few months when they need cash flow? Nerf the 5 most popular power sets and have tons of players be forced to retcon and bang loads of cash!"

This. Either Cryptic devs don't play the game, or don't care enough to fix the glaring issues. The number of "unintended" changes that went in on this patch were glaring enough one of the devs went to the forums to apologize.

The only explanations for that are A) incompetence and B) indiffrence. Either way, I've got no reason to stay.

Like I said, Borderlands is great. Dragon Age drops next week. I'll tell you what, when the next free weekend rolls around I'll drop in and check CO out again.
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Posted: Oct 29th 2009 8:06PM (Unverified) said

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"How Cryptic said they were going to lower the price but never did."

Um... they lowered the cost of retcons by a huge amount. And increased the amount of money you get from drops. And they're adding in a free retcon when you hit level 40. And they give out free retcon's if something drastic changes.

"How at least for the first while after the launch day patch when tons of powers were nerfed the retcons were pretty much impossible to afford without leveling to max then earning the money."

Again, I see someone who hasn't actually played the game complaining and parroting the same crap a lot of others are talking about.

Yah, retcon prices were expensive starting off because a retcon in CO is like changing your entire class in WoW. Which even WoW won't let you do.

As for power nerfs? Give me a break, they FIXED a bunch of broken powers people were abusing, something people in BETA / head start knew about, but many who started in release did not. It was just the whiners picking up comments from the Beta test / head start players and carrying it like some kind of war chant screaming OMG THEY NERFED XXXX my build is now horrible. Yah, well, making a build that relies on abusing broken powers is going to get you in trouble in any game....

"Even Massive had staff that said in articles they couldn't play characters for over a week due to them being ruined by launch day patch. Time estimates were at around 900 hours with the cash drops to earn that much money."

And Massive's writing staff is the epitome of credibility / reliability? This articles author wrote a post a couple weeks back comparing tanking in WoW to tanking in CO, complaining how CO's tanking was broken because... it didn't work like WoW's. That's some pretty shallow / poorly thought-out reporting.

"Everyone that paid and specificly went out of the way to purchase the pre-order that included the headstart that picked certain powers was left losing the entire HS of playtime due to not having a working character for a week."

Lol, sorry, everyone? I was in the beta, I was in the head start, and I have a life time sub, and my hero that I created in beta, I recreated with the exact same power set in head start and have been playing him fine ever since. This is once where L2P has meaning.

"The Retcons are totallly dependant on what Cryptic decides to patch, they cost almost as much as a single month."

Except... they've already given out, off the top of my head, 3 or 4 retcons since release. That's 4 retcons after 2 months... Considering they gave out some of those retcons AFTER they stopped fiddling with a lot of powers, even if for some remote reason you made a hero that was completely and horribly broken (which again would be your fault), you should have had enough retcons to get your hero straightened out. Heck, not to mention you earn so many resources in game now that you can just do a full respec in game with just in-game resources.

"How much you want to bet the game has massively swinging balance changes every few months when they need cash flow? Nerf the 5 most popular power sets and have tons of players be forced to retcon and bang loads of cash!"

No, not "most popular power sets", that would be the "most broken power sets people were abusing".

"Whats amazing is that a gaming site dedicated to bringing more people into the MMO genre then says that anyone that needs a retcon is saying things like :"
So a new player to the MMO genre has to do homework or end up with a ruined character? Is the purpose of the MMO genre to bring in new players or to just feed off a static playerbase? Guess what new MMO players don't do homework because they are new MMO players."

Yes, because a MMO is not a FPS where you pick up and play right away. You have to do a little thinking, a little research. So a new driver shouldn't learn how to drive a car first? A person who bought a computer shouldn't read the manual first to figure out some basic things? It's stupid, moronic, I-want-instant-gratification-and-be-held-by-the-hand-through-life people that gives the gaming community a bad reputation.

"Entire reason WOW is so successful is due to being open to new MMO players. The future growth of this gamesite is dependant on a stream of new readers which come from *Gasp* new MMO players?"

No, the entire reason WoW was successful is because they entered into the market at a time where casual MMO's were non-existant (ie. MMO's that you didn't need to spend 5 hours a day playing to get anywhere). If you think you can jump into WoW and just run around and pick everything up immediately and be running instances with everyone, you're even more delusional than I could have imagined.

"Grats you lost a reader. Try informing your audience instead of just pushing product so you can get more ad revenue."

ZOMG, because you actually clicked on the ads and bought something / subscribed to something? Pretty pathetic man, pretty pathetic.
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Posted: Oct 30th 2009 2:14AM Seraphina Brennan said

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Most of what I was going to say was covered by other commenters, but I want to at least say this:

I don't know the advertising staff. I don't know who pays money to advertise on our site. That's the corporate level of the site, and I'm nowhere near that. All I know is that I write an opinion column on what I find to be relevant in the week, and I found that to be very, very relevant -- especially as I promised it in an earlier column of mine.

I'm sorry you don't agree with my opinion but it is just that -- my opinion. Just like your opinion is yours. I don't think the C-Store is the nuclear bomb that everyone makes it out to be. Do I think the game has problems? Certainly, but the C-Store just isn't the main source of them. That's what this article is about, and that's all I talked about.
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Posted: Oct 29th 2009 8:29PM MtthwRddl said

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I love MMOs but I hate the communities. They are always so negative, even if there are plenty of reasons to be happy.

You wonder why these people even go on living if their life sucks so much.

Posted: Oct 29th 2009 8:38PM Its Utakata stupid said

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Once again, Seraphina your being to much of an apologist for Cryptic on the recon aspect. And I will smuggly point out...that I don't have to pay 1 cent in RMT to respec/duel spec my toons both in WoW or CoX. So I am calling it for what it is:

1) Cryptic is making a fast buck at the expense of quality and integrity on what some successful sub based MMO's do for free.

2) This is not a cosmetic change. Those with robust incomes can unaturally stay ahead of the game by swipe of a credit card when FoTM powers get changed around.

3) Keep in mind, don't always expect Cryptic to hand out free respecs when they do change powers. This is soley to their descrestion, which bring it in line for them making a fast buck: don't expect those free respecs to be handed out often. It's not in their best interests to do so.

And in before Mr. Bounce's finger waving...

...I am aware you can't switch classes in WoW, because Blizz is smart enough not to allow it.

And this where I disagree with having full retcons in the first place. Instead limiting it to the first 3 to 5 power selections threw progressing in game currency to discourage FoTM's. This is what I thought they where going to do when I puchased the game. But obvioulsy they decided to skank their recon mechanic out to the highest credit card holders, which entirely cheapens the game IMO. Sorry if you disagree.

Posted: Oct 30th 2009 4:14PM (Unverified) said

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"And I will smuggly point out...that I don't have to pay 1 cent in RMT to respec/duel spec my toons both in WoW or CoX. So I am calling it for what it is:"

Uh.... and I'll just plainly point out, that you can do a complete respec in CO without RMT too............. That's pretty hilarious you think you're somehow smart for "pointing" that out.

You apparently don't understand the actual concept behind a respec in WoW and a retcon in CO... But judging from your other posts that's kind of to be expected.

A retcon in CO would be the same as having one class (say a Mage) in WoW become a Hunter or a Warlock or a Priest. And you know what? You can't do that in WoW or CoX... Now, if you actually knew what you were talking about, you'd have brought up FFXI, which allows you to switch jobs without paying a single dime. But, the FFXI MMO is a very different system from other MMO's.

And that's the core / key difference you seem to fail to grasp (more later on this).

"1) Cryptic is making a fast buck at the expense of quality and integrity on what some successful sub based MMO's do for free."

Oh, like what? WoW charges for name changes. WoW charges for faction changes. WoW charges for server transfers. WoW charges for sex changes. What exactly is Cryptic charging for that other MMO's don't?

Oh and you know what? For the longest time Blizzard adamantly refused to allow faction changes. But hey look, their tune changed once they started to realize people would pay big bucks to have their name changed (and other pay-to services). They adamantly refused to have sex changes too... but hey, now you too can be a Female Troll! Do I think Blizzard is some kind of evil organization that's exploiting the public? Not really, they might as well charge for the services to make more money. They are a business after all, not a charity organization.

"2) This is not a cosmetic change. Those with robust incomes can unaturally stay ahead of the game by swipe of a credit card when FoTM powers get changed around."

Yah... because Cryptic is making us pay money for the Celestial power set (???) And by me having that awesome cape from the C-store is going to make me kill things faster because I look so darn cool! Really? Did you even read your argument and think it over?

"3) Keep in mind, don't always expect Cryptic to hand out free respecs when they do change powers. This is soley to their descrestion, which bring it in line for them making a fast buck: don't expect those free respecs to be handed out often. It's not in their best interests to do so."

And when Blizzard decides to have another server melt down, I don't expect them to hand out a free day. Did you actually read the fact they are giving out a free retcon when you hit 40 in the near future so it will shut up whiners like you? By the time I hit 40 on one of my hero's (after the new resource drop system update), I had enough money to do a full respec with the old resource values, and this was just from selling all the crap that drops without doing anything else (ie. extra farming).

"..I am aware you can't switch classes in WoW, because Blizz is smart enough not to allow it."

No... it's not Blizzard isn't "smart enough" to allow it. They simply don't do it because it's not part of the game mechanic. You can't, as a Warrior, go and pick up Righteous Fury, Consecrate and Swipe so you can tank better.
In CO, you can grab a Collective Will and Circle of Summoning and whatever that power is that lets you summon wolves and have a whole army of pets.

But keep posting and making yourself look clueless :) It's an amusing diversion while I eat lunch.

"And this where I disagree with having full retcons in the first place. Instead limiting it to the first 3 to 5 power selections threw progressing in game currency to discourage FoTM's. This is what I thought they where going to do when I puchased the game. But obvioulsy they decided to skank their recon mechanic out to the highest credit card holders, which entirely cheapens the game IMO. Sorry if you disagree."

Yes... because it's wrong to have a different idea in a MMO, and because YOU disagree with it... the whole system must be "bad". According to your logic, the whole job system in FFXI is a horrible, ugly failure. I think a lot of players would disagree and say the job system in FFXI is one of it's strong features (which also sets it apart from other MMO's).

Sorry you're afraid of change / different things. I hear that happens a lot to close minded people.
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