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Posted: Oct 26th 2009 4:07PM Xtofer said

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@ Archmage

With all due respect, there is a fairly large RP community in WoW; enforcement on the RP-only servers seems pretty strict. Of course, I don't have any hard data to back this up except for personal experience. But who am I kidding? You also don't have any hard data to back up your claims, I assume.

If someone doesn't want to play Aion because WoW gives them a more "epic" rpg feeling, well, then so be it. Why should that person even objectively look at your comment and take it to heart? I mean, you don't have to agree with it, but it doesn't make the person's feelings any less valid to him or her. Feelings are neither right or wrong.

Also, the "Blizzard's decisions being dictated by Activision" thing is so old. I mean, I'm sure they probably have some influence, but we'll never know exactly what that influence is or how big of an impact it has on the game we play. If you think you actually know what it is, prove it. If you're going to make a ridiculous claim like that, show us that you actually have a leg to stand on.

The fact remains that WoW continues to be popular and continues to be number 1. Nobody can dispute that and if it makes you mad or sad or whatever, then that's okay. You don't have to like it, but it is fact. And as long as they continue the way they're going, with or without Activision's influences, they'll continue to be on top of the charts, regardless of how you or anyone else feels.

And I'm saying all this trying my best to not have a bias against Aion. Aion can very well be successful too, and if so, nobody will be able to dispute that either.
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Posted: Oct 26th 2009 3:02PM (Unverified) said

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Part of me wonders how an article can claim a game has a smooth launch and then goes on to point out that people had to wait up to 7 hours to play it.

So... a remarkably smooth launch aside from the tiny problem of no one being able to play it without a 7 hour delay?

Posted: Oct 26th 2009 6:15PM (Unverified) said

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@ David Whyld

Not everyone had a queue to log into Aion in the first week or two. Neither I, nor my friends, ever had to wait to log in to our servers.

@ Xtofer

Your personal experience is different than mine on the RP realms. Back when I played on them, I saw numerous toons with naming violations, frequent non-RP behavior, as well as harassment in general chat over actual role playing occurring. Perhaps things have improved.

As for the rest of your response, I'll avoid a retort and the ensuing senseless debate. Your bias in favor of WoW and Blizzard is obvious, making it pointless.
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Posted: Oct 27th 2009 8:48AM (Unverified) said

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@Archmage.

This is the first time I get involved in this discussion, and oddly enough, the paradox here is that people like you are the reason that I did not get involved before, yet know, you are the reason I am getting involved.

It is extremely annoying that when you make a point in favour of WoW, you are biased, a fanboy, etc. Like you are labeling a person who speaks in favour of WoW. Let us present facts. How many subscriptions to WoW? Over 10 million. But when someone dares to say it is a good game, or a better one than Aion, we are biased, we know nothing, we are fanboys. So 10 million people do not know what the hell they speak of but the few 100k people that play Aion are right? How does that make sense exactly?

When Aion launched, I was very excited. People cried (again) WOW KILLER WOW KILLER. And this is how Aion fanboys actually destroyed the game before it was even out. You place the bar way too high, while no one expects a WoW killer, until the screaming began, then they do, and Aion does not deliver sadly. But this is normal! WoW wasn't the greatest when it was first released, it just had time to develop.

You can be negative towards WoW, I don't care. Difference is, we don't brand you a noob, or biased, because you like another game. So stop labelling us because we do not agree with you. You are the one with an incredible bias towards all that play WoW, and maybe you should attempt to remedy that before participating in these discussions, because in your head, I am sure you are always right, but maybe, just maybe, 10million subs say something different.

As for the topic. I bought Aion, played it, LOVED the style of the game, the look that is, big fan of Asian MMO's here. But then it just... it became void for me. I felt no relation to my character (I'm a roleplayer so this is kind of a big deal to me), no relation to the surroundings. The lore, at first, seemed quite fine to me, but I felt there was little to no development of it ingame. My character did not feel unique, or special, it was all a bit meh. So I cancelled my sub. My boyfriend cancelled his as well solely for gameplay reasons since he is not into RP. So there you go, my opinion, which is probably not valid since I play WoW.
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Posted: Oct 27th 2009 9:56AM Xtofer said

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@Archmage

Yeah, okay.

By the way, what a cop-out response that was -- and condescending too. I mean, if I wanted to, I can just say the same thing: Your bias against Blizzard is fully apparent, making this pointless, right? Yet you chose to respond anyhow. Interesting.
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Posted: Oct 27th 2009 9:44PM Xii said

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@StG
Popularity is a measure of quality? Especially when the majority of players are located in countries where they pay per minute? If you're going to quote WoW numbers, which are heavily boosted by Chinese players, you have to take into account Korean and Chinese Aion players. Suddenly a one-year old game doesn't look so bad.

I noticed that Blizzard stopped bragging about '11 million players' once their Chinese licensee went down. I guess '5 million accounts (3 million humans)' doesn't have quite the same ring. Have fun epically raiding NPCs over and over in a game that's so stale that bots do better than humans. I guess that's fun to some people.
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Posted: Oct 26th 2009 4:59PM Laren said

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Hey, this is the first I heard about 1.5 content being great. Can you give us an example? Having cancelled my subscription, I'm looking for reasons to keep paying...

Posted: Oct 26th 2009 7:27PM TheJackman said

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Wow... grapics can get even the worst game sales.... If Aion had WoW like grapics most of you where not even looking at it 2 times... I am just saying Aion is more them a year old now and does not have any more content them single player RPGs release in the last month or so...

Posted: Oct 26th 2009 7:58PM (Unverified) said

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Sir, you give new meaning to "You don't know jack".

Aion was released in South Korea on November 28, 2008. Last I checked, it's only October 26th, 2009. It has not yet been in any "release" form for a year as of yet.

As for content, World of Warcraft trucked along on it's original release content for about eight months before they released Blackwing Lair. AQ was added about six months after that. And BC was released a full year after that. Heck they didn't even have battlegrounds until about seven months after release.

That being said, I hope NCS establishes a solid schedule of steady content updates. Meaningful competition in the MMO segment means a win for all of us.
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Posted: Oct 26th 2009 8:06PM TheJackman said

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its the NCS marketing that make us believe it is out for a year now :P
And ones again WoW was release in a other time where there where they where able to get away with that. And they where Blizzard that already did release many really good games before it! Today there are only two others that can get away with releasing a mmo with less content them a single player RPG..... BioWare and Bethesda Game Studios.....
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Posted: Oct 27th 2009 4:12AM (Unverified) said

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At level 30 I've cancelled. Hours and hours of boring grinding/levelling I just cant justify on the fingers-crossed hope that end-game PvP is fun and long-lasting (and its actually sounding like a crash ridden zerg fest).

Posted: Oct 27th 2009 10:52AM (Unverified) said

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@SarahTheGnome

Without Blizzard giving us context or deeper statistical analysis on that "10 million" number, it means nothing. Reminds me a bit of the saying parents used to lay on us when caving into peer pressure. "If they all jumped off a bridge, would you do that too?"

Also, I don't remember saying that WoW was "a bad game". I only pointed out a few of the faults that myself and my friends find with the current state of the game. Feel free to disagree.

Don't mistake me for someone who argues with ill-intent simply because I am not an apologist. I am critical and discerning of developers of games that I play because I want them to be better.

I've played just about every MMO since WoW's launch. Believe me, I'm the first one to be boggled when we see developers making rookie mistakes with their games that they could have avoided if they had simply done their research to see how Blizzard handled X or Y.

A perfect example of this is the botter/spammer problem in Aion. I commend NCS for being so quick to respond to it, but it should have never been as prevalent an issue as it became.

My point being, that there are many things that Blizzard does do right, which they deserve credit for.

@Xtofer

See, I told you. We could do this ad nauseam. /tagyouareit

Posted: Oct 27th 2009 3:10PM (Unverified) said

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I gave up on Aion for two reasons:

1. Way too long for the log on queue. I've got better things to do with my time.

2. Having a cut scene where my character that I spent a good amount of time creating - including her voice - is suddenly transformed into this squeaky anime sexpot while fighting giving her voice some high pitched girly sound ruined the idea of a strong female character for me.

Posted: Oct 27th 2009 5:26PM (Unverified) said

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I've been happy with Aion thus far. My highest toon is 22, and I've liked how beautiful the world is. Having played 4 geared level 80s in WoW, my cleric's current abilities and spellsets are limited, but that will improve as I level.

I have yet to grind. I've been questing constantly, and when I get bored of questing, I spend some time leveling my crafting. Crafting is SUPER SUPER SLOW and downright boring. Still, from what I hear, it can get you some of the best gear in the game. As for the grind, they are improving quest XP in the next patch. If I do have to grind, I'll probably just quit the game, since I find grinding boring.

My experience has been fine, and I do plan on staying with the game for at least a month more (depending on when the expansion comes out). Some things that would have made the game more interesting:
- More PvP. I just saw my first Elyos character yesterday after 22 levels. It'd be great if there were a battleground around 15-18 to see the other side.
- More instances. Questing for 22 levels can get dull, since most of the quests are really grind quests and can be soloed. I'd rather quest in groups like what I had to do for the Black Claw quests.

My experience the next 8 levels will probably determine if I stay with this game. There's the challenge of the Abyss, there's some instances, and there's a rumor of grinding hell. I'll decide after that.

Posted: Oct 27th 2009 7:46PM (Unverified) said

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Well my wife and I tried Aion after 5 years of wow, which had just gone very stale for us. As we play from South Africa new MMO's are difficult for us as the patching is quite a procedure on our crappy infrastructure. With some help from the Aion Forums we were able to download the patches directly at a decent rate and the install went smooth. Also the ping times are similar to Wow. approx 400ms. (a big bonus is that once you select a target you dont end up wasting 30% on the dps on target not in front of you !) Warhammer by comparioson was ghastly when we tried.

Our PCs are not high end but Aion plays well. the graphics (set to roughly the middle on all) are beautiful and the gameplay and animation smooth. Love the combo attacks. As we have recently had our second son doing group quests are tricky but we have found a great legion who are helping us through our first hurdle 18-20 ;)

A couple of general things. Going back to the Wow USA beta, and release and comparing my experiences. Wow had way more techical and gameplay issues. Hell my Hunter didnt even have a pet on release. Aion being a rework of an asian game has far more issues of a differing social nature, ie grinding, botting, gold selling. However they are addressing these quickly, if you change channels while questing in Aion you are rarely bothered. Remeber folks in the Asian version botting and selling gold is pretty much legal. Its going to take a while for them to realise that us on this side of the world think cockroches are higher in the evolutionary chain the botters etc. Wow only became a solid game 7 months in for me. Aion stil has a long way to go before it will be solid for a western market. The questing in wow has become orders of magnitude beter since 1.0, 5 years down the line Aion should be in the same boat.

When Bliizard finally puts Gnome healers in the game i will return and play a bit of wow. Hopefully cataclysm will also mean mean Bliizzard stop balancing everything on bloody arenas (all they had to do was say PVP gear only works in PVP areas) but until then, my wife and myself however are enjoying trying something new.

Posted: Oct 28th 2009 2:12AM (Unverified) said

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I'm level 23 and decided to unsub. Wish they change the "grind grind", buff up the XP and lower the cost of soul heal like repair. geez!!! unless they fix those, sooner or later more dissatisfied customers will just hit the unsub button. goodbye aion.

its fun while it last but maybe next time.

Posted: Oct 28th 2009 2:45PM (Unverified) said

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ZombiBambi: "I noticed that Blizzard stopped bragging about '11 million players' once their Chinese licensee went down. I guess '5 million accounts (3 million humans)' doesn't have quite the same ring. Have fun epically raiding NPCs over and over in a game that's so stale that bots do better than humans. I guess that's fun to some people."

The 11 million players number isn't just something that Blizzard 'brags' about. I've seen similar figures from a dozen different sources - do you think they are all lying? Then again, even if the actual was 'only' 5 million, WoW would still be far and away the most successful MMO out there.

And yes, I will have fun epically raiding the same NPCs over and over again. You know why? Because it IS fun. WoW has been the most popular MMO for years for the simple reason that it's fun to play and while it may not be quite as good as it used to be, it's still head and shoulders better than the competition.

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