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Posted: Oct 2nd 2009 8:39AM MrGutts said

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Absolutely, they should have this in all games. They should even have awards for being a resource thief , being a damn NINJA and it should go on your account for everyone to see. That is if everyone voted for you being a complete dick!
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Posted: Oct 2nd 2009 8:46AM DarthCheese said

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There's a very good reason why this isn't tolerated in decent MMOs... it can be easily abused to harass innocent players.

Some jackass decides to post a lie about you, even though you haven't done anything wrong.. but there's virtually nothing you can do to prove your innocence.
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Posted: Oct 2nd 2009 11:02AM Cendres said

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This is the first thing that popped to my mind too. Being this is the internet people don't really know unless you dedicate a lot of time trying to and in an MMO generally this doesn't happen.

You ninja someone's mob or node by accident, yes it can happen and all of a sudden you're labeled as a jack ass? There are newbies to MMOs all the time and a lot of them have no idea how the etiquette of MMO gaming goes I could see these people losing interest real fast if they happen to be labeled for something they didn't know was 'wrong'.

In general I think it's a poor and not so professional idea coming from the devs. If it comes entirely from the community then that's different.
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Posted: Oct 2nd 2009 11:58AM Tom in VA said

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This was my concern as well.

I have always thought, however, that it'd be great if players could "rate" other players that they'd grouped with for, say, at least 30 minutes or more.

You could then score them positively or negatively based on that experience, but since you'd have to have grouped with them, the system couldn't be abused quite so easily.

Any system like this needs to work both ways, allowing players to both commend or downrate other players in a limited fashion.
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Posted: Oct 2nd 2009 1:30PM Firebreak said

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This happened to a buddy of mine on our WoW server. There was a name and shame blacklist thread that was kept up to date. My buddy made a couple of mistakes by accidently hitting need on the wrong thing, getting something he could not even use. They made up a few chat logs and he went on the black list. He eventually just quit as there was nothing he could do to get off of it.
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Posted: Oct 2nd 2009 8:47AM J Brad Hicks said

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Not without some kind of a politically independent, tenured judiciary committed to finding out the facts, first. Without that it's just gossip, at best.

In an environment with as much anonymity as an online game, what's more important is for people to believe that cheaters aren't getting away with it. I firmly believe that online multiplayer games should publish up-to-date stats of how many people they've suspended or banned for cheating; not just counts of (disposable, trial) gold-spammer accounts deleted, but actual exploiters. But it's neither necessary nor desirable to name and shame them individually.
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Posted: Oct 2nd 2009 8:51AM organiclockwork said

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It depends on the charges. Scamming, hacking, botting, all of those things should absolutely involve naming and shaming.

But in games like EVE, at least -- I know little of Fallen Earth -- lying, cheating, and stealing, and generally being a bastard is a completely legitimate playstyle. Of course, it's up to the community if they want to spread around the names of people who do it -- and they probably will, so people who do it will probably only have one real chance, so they better make it good. At the same time, however, people need to realise the above is true. Some of the most epic things you hear about from EVE are things like political assassinations, corporation subterfuge and invasion, and so forth. Again, I know very little about Fallen Earth, but if the game mechanics enable such things, then they're fair game. I'm not saying they're good sportsmanship -- or that I personally would do any of the above -- but it's the apocalypse. What do you expect?
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Posted: Oct 2nd 2009 9:46AM Vitamin Dei said

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During the Champions Online open beta I encountered more than a few jerky players who would ninja my quest objectives while I was conveniently busy fighting off the mob that had been guarding them. It's annoying in any game, but Champions' relative lack of instancing made this especially annoying. I briefly played around with the idea of using the Twitter integration and hash tags to send out ninja alerts and hold people accountable. Ultimately I decided that it wasn't a great idea and wouldn't accomplish much aside from making me look whiny and petty. :)

I think as far as douchebags in online games go, you just have to learn about each one the hard way and make your own judgments.
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Posted: Oct 2nd 2009 9:59AM Metalheart said

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Yip complaining about cheaters, scammers and loot ninjas ingame is a waste of time, just call them a douche and move on as most of them are 13 year old with low self esteem looking for attention that their moms dont give them.

What goes around comes around
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Posted: Oct 2nd 2009 10:44AM Lateris said

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Can we get an award for that here? ;)
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Posted: Oct 2nd 2009 10:44AM Evy said

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It's too easy to fake chat logs and implicate innocent players. I say no. If someone is a big enough jerk, news will travel on it's own.
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Posted: Oct 2nd 2009 10:47AM Myria said

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Such a 'naming and shaming' system would pretty much only be acceptable if it were possible for reliable evidence to be submitted to a fair-minded playerbase that agreed on objective definitions for all of the terms involved and took 'innocent until proven guilty' as a given.

In other words, never.
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Posted: Oct 2nd 2009 11:31AM (Unverified) said

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It's an immature idea. With no proof it's just slander.

Who's gonna spend time reading that trash anyway, vindictive, immature players is who.
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Posted: Oct 2nd 2009 12:09PM (Unverified) said

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It's such a bad idea it's a wonder it doesn't happen more often.
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Posted: Oct 2nd 2009 12:27PM Pingles said

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It's a great idea that is SO susceptible to abuse that to implement it would require a couple of full-time monitors who get to work immature-a-hole duty trying to investigate every false claim that comes in.

What a nightmare.


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Posted: Oct 2nd 2009 4:23PM (Unverified) said

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I've heard positive remarks about CO adding the account name to the toon name; and I think this would help address the problem (can't hide by running another toon). The account name wouldn't have to appear on screen as long as a player could inspect you to find it out. Bad behavior tends to get passed along pretty quickly I think.
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Posted: Oct 4th 2009 11:33PM (Unverified) said

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I like the idea.. however the major flaw, regardless of whether you're for it or against is, is the fact that it can be abused.

Look at the userbase that groups like 4chan or Goonsquad can leverage.

So you have a gigantic group of people, all with a maturity arrested at the age of 11 and an irresistible desire to fit in with the rest of their buddies. Then you point them in a direction.. at some random player who's pissed one of their celebrities off, or who happens to by sure bad luck to have made themselves a target that day.

Doesn't matter if they're guilty or innocent, they're going to suffer.

It won't be justice it'll just be a popularity contest.
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