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Posted: Sep 25th 2009 8:19PM Cendres said

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You clearly haven't read Brisingr, that novel is mostly bore up until the end when it's finally good... XD

MMOs are really not the same as single player games, though, which is why a reviewer should have a first impressions review and a re-review down the road, and more then one as time goes on, because as the community settles and updates are made the experience does in fact change.

No you cannot make someone who generally hate the game like it months from launch, but you also can't deny that yes giving MMOs some time before making a whole review is not a good idea. Also if the focus of the game is something the reviewer didn't even get to, does that review qualify as anything anyone should take seriously?
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Posted: Sep 25th 2009 8:49PM Wisdomandlore said

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Oh, I'm not saying MMOs shouldn't be reevaluated, or that you can judge the entire game in a week. I like IGN's pattern of giving out "previews" or "pre-reviews" for several weeks first, then giving the full-fledged review 1-2 months down the road. But Eurogamer does go back and rereview games given time, as the reviewer himself stated he would.

None of that evaluates my original point. "Give it time" is a useless defense against criticism. If I buy a vacuum and it doesn't perform to my expectations, I'm going to take it back, not give it a few weeks. You can't do that with a MMO, which is why reviews are important.

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Posted: Sep 25th 2009 9:19PM Cendres said

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Sure, like you say; "if it doesn't work as expected". Problem is Aion does work exactly as expected and as NCsoft said it would. The only criticism I can see that has value that people have had is the massive marketing on flight when flight is actually just another part of the strategy of fighting and not a free for all as some may have been led to believe.

Other then that the game delivers what it said it would. It's fine if the reviewer doesn't like the game, but some of points brought up were not in light I'd consider as fair considering what the game is supposed to be like and as been advertised as.
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Posted: Sep 29th 2009 9:53AM (Unverified) said

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"And be realistic, you can judge the game in a few hours. You can understand the core quest, combat, and character development mechanics. A game isn't a marriage of 10 years I have to work to keep together. It's something that's supposed to be fun, from the get go. If it isn't, it doesn't get my money."

Actually, Aion's character development mechanics aren't really fleshed out until the later levels. Who's saying the lower levels weren't fun? We're just saying that you can't fairly judge a game until you at least experience all the game mechanics, which the reviewer hadn't.

Also, your analogy is poor. You can't make major alterations to the book that your readers somehow receive after the purchase. If you look at Eve Online at launch vs. now, there's an enormous difference.
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Posted: Sep 25th 2009 8:01PM (Unverified) said

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All games are Like WoW? YOU MEAN ALL GAMES ARE LIKE EVERQUEST and ULTIMA ONLINE. LEARN YOUR DAMN HISTORY

Posted: Sep 25th 2009 8:20PM wjowski said

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Learn your own damn history. Everquest is just a diku mud with a 3d graphics engine.
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Posted: Sep 25th 2009 9:18PM (Unverified) said

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Why do you guys have to compare all the MMO's to WoW? More than likely, 90% of the people comparing and complaining about Aion (and other MMO's) were not around back in the EQ days, probably never played DAoC... Lets go back farther, Lineage anyone? Blizzard was not original with WoW, far from it as a matter of fact. You must realize WoW was not the first MMO, Blizzard didn't come up with anything original with WoW. Matter of fact, as of late... Blizzard is still taking idea's from other MMO's.

When WoW was released people were doing the same thing you guys are now, they were bitching, complaining and fanboying EQ and Lineage for 3 months. Players said the game wouldn't carry through it's initial launch subscriptions, and look where it is now. WoW is the king of MMO's, its the most popular and it will be for a long time, just like EQ and its reign.

If someone likes a game, don't criticize them for enjoying it... don't criticize them for wanting to play something new, even though an MMO is hardly new. If people like it, who are you to say the game sucks, who are you to compared it to other MMO's and say "you're just wasting your time... its just a WoW copy" That's straight up ignorant. Of course all MMO's are going to be identical in a sense. Sure, you can play Aion and say it's like any other.. you can say the same thing about every other MMO as well.

For the ones saying Blizzard is keeping WoW fresh, let me ask you a few questions.

What were you doing in 1.1?
What are you doing in the latest patch?

What were you doing in 1.11?
What were you doing after you hit 80 in WotLK?

WoW has been the same game for coming up on 5 years, and you're all praising it.

Posted: Sep 25th 2009 9:28PM (Unverified) said

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This. This. This.

Vanilla was good, TBC was even pretty good until they started catering to casuals and nerfing Sunwell.

LK brought back Naxx, Sarth was just another Onyxia, 3D wasn't anything special when guilds were going in for the first time and melee zerg-oneshotting her. Latest patch, you got Onyxia back... what's next? AQ revamp and closing the gates? We just gave up on the game because it was the same thing time after time. Sure, nobody updates content as frequently as Blizzard does but where are they heading? Cataclysm is bringing back Ragnaros and the BDF story line... are we going to have to fight Nefarian again? Blizzard reign is coming to an end, the party was fun while it was new... it's over. Give the other MMO's some time to get in some content that people are used to, give them some time to tweak it in their own unique way to make it as different as possible. NCS is probably in a better position to do that than anyone else right now.
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Posted: Sep 25th 2009 9:37PM (Unverified) said

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To answer your questions:

in the time between 1.11 and the latest patch, actually still playing unlike most games.
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Posted: Sep 25th 2009 9:33PM (Unverified) said

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I couldn't agree more. If you like Aion then play it.. give NCSoft a shot at their version... lets wait for some updates and see where it goes.

Blizzard is back peddling right now on content, it's really a huge disappointment to see it happen.

@the EVE fanboy.

LOL. Yeah, its totally different than every other 2gen MMO out there... real original they are.
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Posted: Sep 25th 2009 9:34PM DrewIW said

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/sidesteps drama and arguments

I'm having lots of fun, and the game is pretty. As a gamer, that's what matters to me.

Posted: Sep 25th 2009 9:37PM (Unverified) said

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why do these games "begin to open up" only after a certain level?

is there something about MMOs that defy exciting gameplay at the early stages? why are people, especially reviewers, forced to play for weeks or even months to get something out of these games, especially if they're paying for their subscription fee now?

Posted: Sep 30th 2009 10:11AM Metalheart said

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Just feels like tutorial stages because lets face it most MMOs have a huge learning curve for new comers
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Posted: Sep 25th 2009 11:54PM Graill440 said

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You kept a straight face while typing World of Warcraft and paradigm in the same paragraph? O.o

Posted: Sep 26th 2009 12:07AM Thac0 said

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Xavior you proved my point that everything is similar to everything else and it's stupid to compare games to WoW because you can always find something to call a rip or or a derivative. Thank you for making my point.

Tyranor I would call building rep doing quests forevert to get level 4 agents is a long term mission structure and you can basically count your skill points as levels in a way too.

I only played WoW to level 40 back a few Years ago and thought it was a dull quest gring. Also I Syed my eve character to 8 mil sp snd wa in a large alliance and decided it wasn't for me to answer to your acsationd.

My inital point is everything is related and similar in ways it's dumb for a reviewer to compare everything to WoW.

Posted: Sep 26th 2009 12:43AM (Unverified) said

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"My inital point is everything is related and similar in ways it's dumb for a reviewer to compare everything to WoW. "

I understand your sentiment if that's what you were trying to say originally. However, the fact remains that WoW is still the 800 pound gorilla in the room, there's just no way that people can avoid comparing any new MMORPG to WoW, especially those from the fantasy genre. Chances are a large portion of their readers/themselves have played WoW before, comparison to that game is just another way for them to paint a better picture of the game they're reviewing to their readers.
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Posted: Sep 26th 2009 7:59AM LaughingTarget said

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It's not dumb. We all have limited time and money in which to expend and we all wish to maximize that utilization. Games don't exist in a vacuum. All of them
must be compared to existing alternativees to be able to make a value judgement. Aion costs money and time to simply "give it a shot". WoW is a competing product. It's more than fair to compare everything to it since the consumer has to justify the initial purchase price and time required to "give it a chance" as opposed to using those same resources on WoW or other avenues. Because, Mr To Hit Armor Class 0, you're unwilling to reimburse me for the lost time and money lost should I still feel the product is inferior to the alternative.

This goes just as well against other games that are not MMOs. It's just as relevant to compare Aion and WoW with Batman: Arkham Asylum or Uncharted 2. Reviews assist in the decision process on how to spend our next $50 or $60 and X hours. Comparing to known quantities is the only way to do this. If $60 and 8 hours in Uncharted 2 is superior to 10 hours of WoW, that's how I'll spend my time.

Any review that discusses the game on it's own merits is functionally useless to the consumer.
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Posted: Sep 26th 2009 12:36AM (Unverified) said

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@ thac0

yes, label anyone who disagree with your opinions as a fanboy is such a brilliant counter to the points I made :rolleyes:

maybe you should go back and actually read what you wrote, nowhere in your post did you say anything remotely resemble "...at it's base all MMOs are the same." In fact, all your comparisons were to WoW, I don't know how you expect anyone to come to a different conclusion after reading your post.

and again, like others and I have pointed out to you, the "criteria" you used to measure the games are so basic and broad that it's simply pointless, as the vast majority of online games ever made would be "similar" under the points you laid out.

@Celestian

the troll cave is over that way

Posted: Sep 26th 2009 12:42AM hami83 said

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*yawn* I don't know why MMOs in general attract the stupidest gamers on the planet to speak their opinions.

Posted: Sep 26th 2009 1:16AM Lionhearted said

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Copying WoW? But WoW copied EQ.

I swear, it's as if people think that, because WoW is the first MMO they played, it must be the first MMO ever. Blah.

Anyone who says it's too much like WoW really needs to gain perspective. Every story or book has another story or book very, very similar to it. All Fantasy MMOs heretofore are not copying WoW, just because they're fantasy MMO. That's not how they should be judged. Judge them on whether they're fun and innovative. Pure and simple.

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