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Posted: Sep 18th 2009 11:06AM (Unverified) said

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This is well and good and all for those who have had issues. I just hope it does not lead to a mass of cheating being its unprotected : \

Posted: Sep 18th 2009 3:38PM Kamokazi said

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Bypassing it is quite simple. I won't go into details, but google will help you plenty. I was bypassing it because it was causing my KillerNIC driver to bluescreen when it unloaded on exit. It didn't take much effort to get around it...cheaters would have no issue.
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Posted: Sep 18th 2009 12:26PM (Unverified) said

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Yeah I was one of the ones that had no issues with it, saw it as a boon even. I didn't even consider there were a lot having issues with it, I guess it's better to implement it later - hopefully stay ahead of the cheater crowd. I never understood those that need to cheat, If you can't do it get out; if it's not fun don't play. Seems simple to me.

Anything to even the playing field is good; though I'm not a big pvper, this game is just fun, can't argue with that (amongst myself). And I Can't wait :)

Posted: Sep 18th 2009 11:26AM JohnD212 said

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I never trust that people have so many Game Guard problems. I think they have problems cause they try to turn it off...or uninstall it and then complain when the game won't run without it. I NEVER had a problem with it and would be very sad to see cheats taking place in a game I'm really excited about.

Posted: Sep 18th 2009 2:18PM Crsh said

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Same here, I honestly don't believe that

1) That many people were having issues with a *legit* use of their blacklisted apps/processes

2) That the very-vocal minority crying foul were all that legit to begin with.

Pseudo-hardcore MMO (or any multiplayer game, for that matter) players are far more likely to be cheaters trying to exploit a hole to gain an advantage.
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Posted: Sep 21st 2009 6:11AM jh3141 said

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Well, I for one have decided not to go anywhere near any game that uses it, due to the reported problems. I work from home, and play MMOs on my work computer. I often leave myself logged in while working. According to reports I've heard, several *perfectly legitimate* applications I use regularly for my work are known to fail and/or cause the game to exit if they are detected on the system. These are:

* Daemon Tools. My job includes regular CD mastering; I use daemon tools to check the results of this works as expected. Apparently gameguard causes a BSOD if you try to use daemon tools while it is running.
* Eclipse, a java development environment. Apparently this application fails to start if gameguard is running.
* Process Explorer, an extremely useful utility that I tend to leave running most of the time just in case I need it. Gameguard refuses to allow games to run at the same time as it.
* VMware. As a developer, I typically have at least one virtual machine, and sometimes several, running on my system. Gameguard shuts down the virtual machines without warning when it starts, potentially resulting in a loss of work.
* Netlimiter. I'm led to believe that gameguard will not allow games it protects to run if this extremely useful software is even installed on the system, whether it is running or not.
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Posted: Sep 18th 2009 5:45PM Mr Angry said

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Gotta say John, I had problems, as did many, and without resorting to working out how to hack the system (the very behavior this is designed to prevent), I would have never have managed to play Aion.

Prior to starting up Aion, I had no idea what Game Guard was, I didn't try and turn it off until I had about 4 days worth of errors and multiple re-downloads and installs of the clients. I'm not exaggerating, it was so arduous I used to play LOTRO while I was installing and got about a character to level 15 over that time.

On satarting Aion, it displayed a garbled error message, with no explanation as to how to resolve the problem. You might think people are making this stuff, up, but a quick google search demonstrated to me, that many many other people are in the same boat. It's not fixed easily, that is the frustrating issue at hand...

After I gave up on official means, I downloaded a file from the internet, deleted part of Game Guard and restarted, and guess what, it worked no problems at all.

My Vista machine was a clean install with Norton Anti-Virus, I don't know how much more stripped down I had to make it, I have a Logitech keyboard (which was sited as one issue, really???? they sell a lot of these you know)

PC configurations can be very different, what works for you, might not for others, but trust me it was a major problem (couldn't open game client) for a lot of people, although I do appreciate you didn't have any problems whatsoever,

NCSoft would never have pulled GameGuard from the release if it was only a very minor problem, by them doing so is acknowledging the extent of the issue themselves.
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Posted: Sep 19th 2009 4:18AM GaaaaaH said

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John, your comments can basically be summed up as "well i've never had a problem, so noone else should either unless they're hacking"
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Posted: Sep 18th 2009 11:31AM Myria said

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I find it curious that there's been virtually no discussion of Gameguard here at Massively (only this and one other article that mentions GG as an aside come up if you click the GG link) prior to this when it has been a massive issue in Aion's move to the West -- you even mention that fact here, for the first time -- and yet they drop it (a good and quite surprising move) and suddenly GG gets its own article?

BTW, the 'warden' link (and, no, WoW's Warden is nothing whatsoever like GG, not even on steroids) mostly brings up articles on LoTRO's Warden class...

Posted: Sep 18th 2009 9:54PM Joystiq Login Bugs SUCK said

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There has been SO much discussion in the comments here on massively, the only thing that has happened is that this blog has never written a post, in a way they couldn't until now because it's mostly hearsay.

If you look at this thread you will see why. Some people have a lot of problems with this root kit, including me, others don't... and they seem to be happy to throw the "ur cheating" comments at people who would have paid $99 (Australian) for the game and found they couldn't play it.

Good riddance to the root kit is what I say.
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Posted: Sep 18th 2009 11:48AM Lethality said

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The fact is GameGuard was enough of a problem to turn off hundreds of thousands of players... so they need to leave it out for good.

Posted: Sep 18th 2009 12:54PM Keen and Graev said

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Over-exaggerate much? Hundreds of thousands...sheesh. For that to have happened Aion would have had over a million people ready to play it at launch. Fact: It doesn't.
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Posted: Sep 18th 2009 1:28PM Lethality said

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Hey "Keen"

There are at least 10 people I know, including myself, that said "fuck it" on the closed beta weekends because even if GameGuard was able to run after fucking with it for a half hour, it was so ridiculous they had to put this kind of "wall" up in front of their game.

It's complete amateur hour that a game that is supposed to have "millions of subscribers" relies that some piece of shit like that instead of rolling their own.

Also... who the hell wants to trust a Korean company with that anyway? Not many.



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Posted: Sep 18th 2009 12:03PM (Unverified) said

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I'm glad to hear they won't be including GameGuard. It gave a LOT of people problems in Open Beta. Even if it means a few more people cheating (which they will most likely be caught doing and PERMABANNED), it means literally thousands of people will be able to log in Tuesday and jump right into the game without any problems.

Massively needs/ed to do more articles on Aion throughout open beta, it never even made it into a Betawatch article. This is one of the biggest games coming out this year, it will be bigger than LOTRO and WAR both. Of course, it won't end up killing WOW (as much as it needs to die a million deaths), a lot of people are leaving other games to play Aion. It's very polished and well-designed game that has nothing but a bright future ahead of it for fans of high-action combat and innovative PVP.

Posted: Sep 18th 2009 12:29PM JaySpeed said

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Fans of Age of Conan and Warhammer said the same thing last year. I'm sure Aion will do fine but don't expect millions of subscribers in six months.
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Posted: Sep 18th 2009 12:33PM (Unverified) said

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Warhammer looked like ass and was broken when it was released.
AoC was VERY broken when it was released.
AION's US release is not broken (speaking relatively of course, there will always be bugs), and definitely does NOT look like ass. It's been one of Korea and China's top games for a year now. It will do well in America. Period.
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Posted: Sep 18th 2009 12:11PM Anatidae said

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Are you guys serious? There have been plenty of articles about Aion on Massively and if you read comments, TONS of discussions about GameGuard going on.

Garmr... http://www.massively.com/category/aion/ Go ahead and check out the pages and pages of articles.

Myria, follow the same link above and read in the comments, you'll find lots of discussions about GameGuard.


As for more cheaters? Well, I am afraid to tell you that it is VERY easy to find code that bypasses GameGuard in minutes. The only thing it guards is someone's bank account who is fatter for selling the crapware to NCSoft in the first place.

Posted: Sep 18th 2009 12:36PM (Unverified) said

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I have Massively on my RSS feed, which I read almost hourly. Since NDA lifted I've seen nearly nothing about Aion out of Massively. They were too busy slavering over their own boners re: Champions Online, possibly the least "MMO" of MMOGs made in recent years.
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Posted: Sep 18th 2009 1:50PM Anatidae said

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I'd say that Massively covered everything before the NDA was lifted. But to be honest about the Aion NDA... that is just about the stupidest NDA in the world. When the game is actually open for business in another country, it is pretty easy to find out what features and gameplay the game has.

The entire Aion "beta" has been a publicity stunt first and foremost. Sure, maybe they tested some additional hardware and made sure the US servers were in good standing. With the game actually live in Korea running far more players than were in the beta here, I would say this game has been tested.

There might have been more coverage on Champions because, unlike Aion, it wasn't live in another country to go play and circumvent any sort of US NDA.
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Posted: Sep 18th 2009 12:18PM TheJackman said

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GameGuard is gone now if they only remove the Force PVP! I hate to not have a choose of I wanna kill some other player or not....

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