It seems to be a World of Lawsuits (TM) recently in our industry. Bloggers are being sued for libel, NCsoft is being sued for patent infringement, Linden Labs is being sued for trademark violations, Turbine is suing Atari, and now five companies are all being sued over a patent dispute.
The Boston Globe has reported that Paltalk Holdings Inc. has filed a complaint in Texas against Sony Corp., Activision Blizzard Inc., Turbine Inc., NCsoft Corp., and Jagex Ltd. all for games that violate their patent on computers sharing data so that all users can see the same virtual environment. The games in question are EverQuest, World of Warcraft, Lord of the Rings Online, Guild Wars, and RuneScape (in order of the companies as named above.)
What makes this lawsuit different from the standard patent shakedowns that we've been reporting on is that the patent has already been successfully used in court. Paltalk has already sued, and won against, Microsoft.
In 2006, the company sued Microsoft over the multiplayer features included in Halo series. Microsoft took the suit to court, but ended up settling with Paltalk in mid-trial by paying an undisclosed sum of money. This win gives the lawsuit more legs to stand on, hence why Paltalk is now going after all of the industry bigwigs, including Activision Blizzard.
If you're confused as to how Microsoft settling to Paltalk gives them more credibility in court, it's because Microsoft's bow lends credit to the validity of the patents. This prior case can be used in court, making the suit hard to defend against. Turbine and NCsoft, as stated before, are also already involved in suits of their own, making legal defense trickier for these two companies.
Reader Comments (62)
Posted: Sep 16th 2009 4:40PM (Unverified) said
Its like Apocalypse Now for MMOs if these jerk offs get away with sueing all these companies. Its utterly ridiculous...way to go Microsoft for opening Pandora's box. Maybe if we're lucky this company will get enough hate mail from over zealous fan boys scared of losing their game they'll shrink back into the nether regions they crawled out from.
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Posted: Sep 16th 2009 4:41PM (Unverified) said
Well, I think Paltalk won't work on this one because the basic premise of an MMO pre-exists by at least two decades in terms of text based multiuser environments. Also, many visual environments such as first person shooters have had multiuser environments for YEARS before Paltalk as a service (and program) was even in existence. The fact that Microsoft didn't dredge up these facts in their own court case makes me ponder who the hell they paid to represent them as prior art for multiuser environments abound. Especially, for collaborative software applications (and games).
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Posted: Sep 16th 2009 4:42PM (Unverified) said
Why not just patent "sending data over the internet", that way they can sure every company that has a website? Greedy bastards.
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Posted: Sep 16th 2009 4:44PM archipelagos said
Why any court would allow them to claim something as far reaching as the ability to share a virtual space with more than one person is beyond me. Might as well claim oxygen and start charging people the right to breath it.
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Posted: Sep 16th 2009 4:45PM drakino said
I can't have much pity for those involved here, as all of the above companies regularly file for software patents like this. Overall, the patent system is broken and needs major reform to help both inventors and the overall competitive landscape. Right now it's all just a money grab for lawyers.
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Posted: Sep 17th 2009 1:15PM (Unverified) said
Paltalk is in NY and it's some Texas law that allows some loophole in the patent system, I'm sure. It has nothing to do with the geographic location of either company.
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Posted: Sep 16th 2009 4:54PM (Unverified) said
They won a case with Microsoft? Where Have I been living, I can't believe I missed that.
If they can win against Microsoft, they can win against anyone, the amount of trouble MS has been in in the past.
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If they can win against Microsoft, they can win against anyone, the amount of trouble MS has been in in the past.
Posted: Sep 16th 2009 4:55PM DarthCheese said
Damn greedy lawyers, what a load of BS.
There were MMOs out way before Paltalk existed.
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There were MMOs out way before Paltalk existed.
Posted: Sep 19th 2009 6:28AM (Unverified) said
Yes, I tried their video chat out way back when to see if it would help me keep connected with my distant family. I had to cancel because they weren't keeping the lobby channels clear of video perverts, and they did the refund runaround for months.
On the IP area, here's a link to a Dilbert cartoon that perfectly expresses the current situation :
http://www.dilbert.com/strips/comic/2009-09-09/
But what do you expect when you leave the door of the official system for creating the future of humanity open to parasites? While the original goal was noble (and so were the people), the patent office has long been corrupted to be a revolving door for lawyers who want to make 150-200 bucks an hour as a corporate patent attorney, and have no accountability whatsoever for the end result. Said lack of accountability means they can write anything that can get through the system, and here we are with patents that are only good for extortive lawsuits.
But this actually might be good in the long run. Jamming up the system with egregious examples of how screwed up it is might build up enough pressure to force some real reform, say the kind that once again lets ordinary people walk in the door with real solutions and walk out with a good, non-obstructive patent.
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On the IP area, here's a link to a Dilbert cartoon that perfectly expresses the current situation :
http://www.dilbert.com/strips/comic/2009-09-09/
But what do you expect when you leave the door of the official system for creating the future of humanity open to parasites? While the original goal was noble (and so were the people), the patent office has long been corrupted to be a revolving door for lawyers who want to make 150-200 bucks an hour as a corporate patent attorney, and have no accountability whatsoever for the end result. Said lack of accountability means they can write anything that can get through the system, and here we are with patents that are only good for extortive lawsuits.
But this actually might be good in the long run. Jamming up the system with egregious examples of how screwed up it is might build up enough pressure to force some real reform, say the kind that once again lets ordinary people walk in the door with real solutions and walk out with a good, non-obstructive patent.
Posted: Sep 17th 2009 3:40AM wufiavelli said
brokentoys had a good write up on how this part of texas is used a lot for crappy law suits like this this. basically ya get a jury full of yocals who cannot comprehends the complexities behind stuff like this (or other industries) and they grant victories to people.
Sure there is more to it then that. But i am a yocal that cannot comprehend it though.
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Sure there is more to it then that. But i am a yocal that cannot comprehend it though.
Posted: Sep 16th 2009 5:02PM Eamil said
Didn't Worlds.com already sue NCSoft and threaten Blizzard and Linden Labs with lawsuits over a patent they supposedly held for the EXACT SAME THING?
http://www.businessinsider.com/worldscom-ceo-were-absolutely-going-to-sue-second-life-and-world-of-warcraft-2009-3
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http://www.businessinsider.com/worldscom-ceo-were-absolutely-going-to-sue-second-life-and-world-of-warcraft-2009-3
Posted: Sep 18th 2009 8:46PM (Unverified) said
The NC vs worlds suit is still on going...says so in the article. that's the ongoing case, at least for NCsoft. dunno who turbine is in a fight with.
given that NCsoft has not suspened any services it seems that worlds isn't exactly winning that case
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given that NCsoft has not suspened any services it seems that worlds isn't exactly winning that case
Posted: Sep 16th 2009 5:03PM Myria said
It's exceedingly unlikely that MS signed anything that didn't flatly state they admitted to no fault, they'd be idiots to do otherwise and no matter what you think of MS they are most certainly not stupid. It's also unlikely that the particulars of the agreement can legally be revealed or used in court.
Basically the whole "MS agreed with us and that makes us unstopable" crap comes from a lawyer for Paltalk (Christopher Donnelly) who is talking out his arse and hoping no one notices.
Cheap scare tactics that are standard procedure in legal proceedings and carry no meaningful weight whatsoever.
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Basically the whole "MS agreed with us and that makes us unstopable" crap comes from a lawyer for Paltalk (Christopher Donnelly) who is talking out his arse and hoping no one notices.
Cheap scare tactics that are standard procedure in legal proceedings and carry no meaningful weight whatsoever.
Posted: Sep 16th 2009 5:11PM (Unverified) said
Out of court settlements are not legal precedent. The settlement means nothing to judges hearing the case.
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