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Posted: Sep 16th 2009 9:29AM (Unverified) said

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I should like to point out that it's not a class action suit, but rather the filing requests class action status, which the court will have to decide on.

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Posted: Sep 16th 2009 10:05AM Vandell said

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Welp, looks like Second Life may end up going the way of YouTube - anything remotely IP infringing will get swiped away.

Posted: Sep 16th 2009 10:09AM (Unverified) said

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"Copybot, Builderbot, CryoLife et al"? Demagogical. Builderbot has never been released to the public, to my knowledge. I don't see how can it be a symptom of anything.

Posted: Sep 16th 2009 10:32AM dudes said

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Sour grapes. They'll sue for copy cat air breathing if they can.

Posted: Sep 16th 2009 11:11AM (Unverified) said

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So...are people just blind or very naive about the internet? Selling any sort of copyrighted material in a virtual world and then suing the company for not enforcing their copyrights? Most likely they sought to make a substantial revenue in an unregulated environment and when others copied them they started freaking out.

Guess it shows that, especially in America, people will take any risk to make money and then cry when no one is there to protect them from the ramifications of their own risks.

Posted: Sep 19th 2009 11:15AM (Unverified) said

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quote: Sorcefire said on 11:11AM 9-16-2009
"So...are people just blind or very naive about the internet? Selling any sort of copyrighted material in a virtual world and then suing the company for not enforcing their copyrights? Most likely they sought to make a substantial revenue in an unregulated environment and when others copied them they started freaking out.

Guess it shows that, especially in America, people will take any risk to make money and then cry when no one is there to protect them from the ramifications of their own risks."
spot on. Stroker's minions Cheergirl Allen and Chelsea malibu spent allspring and summer stealing Redgrave Skins and passing them all around the grid and the Eros Empire. That is a known fact. So this whole sactimonius cloak of protecting the rights of content creators everywhere, though natty has a few holes in it!

Cheergirl Allen is the head of the Bimbo Cheerleaders, whose trademarks Eros owns. The Bimbo Ranch was the centerpiece of SexGen Isle's Vegas sim. Ol' Stroke built the Ranch for Cheergirl personally. Chelsea Malibu ran the now defunct Mountainmeister LLC whic managed sims for the reallife Jenna Jameson last year.

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Posted: Sep 16th 2009 11:19AM (Unverified) said

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Massively big balls!

Posted: Sep 16th 2009 1:02PM (Unverified) said

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technicly speaking, is there anything LL could've done to prevent the malicious usage of tools like the original Copybot and the replication facilities on Cryolife? If somthing can be displayed on the screen or heard thru the speakers it can be copied


Though regarding their reactions when they receive a DMCA takedown notice thing, I think somtimes they react too fast (like that time when someone was falsely accused and had their whole store and inventory taken away, and when things were returned to them the permissions were all fucked up)

Posted: Sep 16th 2009 4:27PM (Unverified) said

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If I were LL, I'd consider the possibility of losing the case, then the potential cost of losing, then shut down the servers.

Posted: Sep 16th 2009 6:18PM Joystiq Login Bugs SUCK said

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I hope that Stroker gets his class action and wins, the Lab have been screwing people over for too long. The assets you create in SL are not protected and the Lab have done nothing to enforce that. Maybe with class action status every little content creator who has ever been ripped off with the complicity of the lab might get a little justice.

Sure you can't stop someone taking a copy of an object but there are definitely technical measures that could be put in place to detect/fingerprint an import - as an example look at an object being created and watch for a flood, looking at client signatures, using installation keys to ensure only approved clients are used heck anything really.

Then, there are the two VERY long standing and valid complaints by the content creators and the residents, LL never take down when they should, but when they do (very very rarely) they screw it up.

Posted: Sep 16th 2009 10:19PM (Unverified) said

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any copy-prevention technique will only make things a bit more annoying, but won't get in the way of people who really want to copy stuff for long, and after them, the scriptkiddies (off SL meaning) will come and just mess around like there was nothing in the way


There isn't a good solution for the copy-prevention puzzle, proper laws and enforcement are the only means that might produce some result (but if it's not done right, it will backfire, people will get pissed and manage to make it impossible to get all but the most stupid of the copiers)
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Posted: Sep 17th 2009 3:28AM Joystiq Login Bugs SUCK said

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Ah but I didn't say copy prevention, I said copy detection. Some technological detection method that detects the objects being imported and raises a flag in the background for the labs to look at, and ban the account/ip.

And that MUST go hand-in-hand with better and cleaner IP protection through real world methods like America's DMCA... but done so we don't see a repeat of the script borking issues last year.

The Lab can 110% do something if they wanted to but they don't... lazy, lax or understaffed? Who knows... but it is what this class action will target.
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Posted: Sep 18th 2009 12:35AM (Unverified) said

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Hm, I see.

Well, seeing how well they are "detecting" adults and minors, I would rather they didn't made any automated way of deleting assets or accusing people...
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Posted: Sep 16th 2009 11:29PM (Unverified) said

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I give away freebie full perm scripts and objects.

Someone gets them free from Xstreet or my store.

Someone makes the items into entirely new objects and links a prim created by me last, leaving me listed as the "Creator" for the entire thing. They use my full perm scripts and erase existing code, adding their own.

They sell this new item in SL and on Xstreet claiming it to be from Alicia Stella, a name I have spent years and thousands of RL dollars promoting. Or they send the item out to thousands for free as a "Gift from Alicia Stella" and is passed around forever.

LL is alerted of this and has clear records of all activity and can clearly see the multiple violations.

LL does nothing about it, ever.

Damage is done constantly. My name is dragged through the mud.

And it continues forever.

Content created in SL needs a watermark or timestamp; a digital record of when the object has been edited or created and by whom. And a database of content creators and merchants RL info should be kept so I can take the RL legal actions needed to rectify the situation.

This is one of a billion possible scenarios in the current climate and why SOME type of new regulation is needed and why LL continues to promise it. LL agrees*, they've just been too slow to act.

*http://www.massively.com/2009/08/05/a-second-life-roadmap-content-management-intellectual-property/

Posted: Sep 17th 2009 1:25AM (Unverified) said

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While I sympathise with those who have problems protecting their intellectual property, I have some concerns over this action. My complete argument is a bit too long for the comments here, so I've posted it to my blog, http://blog.playprocyon.com/2009/09/stroker-sues-linden-lab.html

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