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Posted: Sep 8th 2009 8:40PM Russell Clarke said

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The more I read about the game, and the machinations of the players, the more I want to give it another go. Seems more like real life than real life...only in space.

Posted: Sep 8th 2009 9:07PM Eamil said

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I feel the same way when I read EVE stories, but when you get right down to it, to me EVE is a lot more fun to read about and follow from a distance than it is to actually play.
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Posted: Sep 8th 2009 9:11PM Russell Clarke said

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Yeah, come to think of it, you're right. It's definitely like real life in that regard too!
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Posted: Sep 8th 2009 8:58PM J Brad Hicks said

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Request for clarification: You report that "his accounts have been banned by CCP for Non-disclosure Agreement violations." At the page you link to, he says that "I will be allowed to run for another term in the future if I so desire." Which is it?

Posted: Sep 8th 2009 9:10PM (Unverified) said

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I posed this question to CCP Games before running the piece but they weren't able to give me an answer before it was time to go live.

The CSM statement reads "Acting on his own, he utilized confidential information that CCP shared with us in violation of the Nondisclosure Agreement he signed by attempting to engage insider trading. CCP, who is monitoring us closely, almost instantly discovered his actions and has banned his accounts. The councilmember has since resigned his seat on the council."

Since this was an approved statement in a CCP dev blog I felt confident in saying he's been banned, but like you said, questions still remain. Specifically:

Is the player himself banned from the game, or simply the accounts involved?

As this was an NDA break rather than a EULA violation, does this mean he's able to run for re-election? (And if he's no longer a subscriber?)

If I get a response from CCP on this I'll update this article.
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Posted: Sep 8th 2009 11:43PM Myria said

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I can't decide if someone thinking this "exciting" and "significant" is more funny then sad or more sad then funny.

It is neither. A passing blurp that won't be remember in a week in a game that is only barely remembered now.
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Posted: Sep 8th 2009 11:45PM Myria said

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I can't decide if someone thinking this "exciting" and "significant" is more funny then sad or more sad then funny.

It is neither. A passing blurp that won't be remember in a week in a game that is only barely remembered now.
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Posted: Sep 8th 2009 9:08PM Dblade said

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tl;dr; dude gets banned, film at eleven. Player council or not, do you really need a press release or news article when all of one person gets banned for an exploit?

Posted: Sep 8th 2009 9:21PM (Unverified) said

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People get banned from EVE everyday. But there's a substantial difference between any regular player who uses an exploit and someone who has advance knowledge of the changes coming to the game -- *having been actually involved in the development pipeline* -- and using that knowledge to profit where other players could (or would) not.
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Posted: Sep 8th 2009 9:23PM Brendan Drain said

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It wasn't an exploit. He was part of a group that was flown to CCP HQ and discussed upcoming changes to the game with the developers under the agreement that he wouldn't tell anyone that information or attempt to profit off it. He signed a confidentiality agreement and then broke it. It's not the banning that's a big deal, it's the fact that someone the players voted for to represent them to CCP abused his position and it was handled pretty well.

If you don't play EVE this story won't matter to you but for EVE players that have a strong interest in the EVE community and the game's development and growth it's pretty big news.
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Posted: Sep 8th 2009 9:51PM Dblade said

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There's no substantial difference, its not really something that affects the EVE population in any real way. It's just one guy trying to corner the market on materials or something and getting caught. Probably all of that council does it as well through third parties, he just was too obvious.

If the whole council got caught, that's news, because that will have serious implications about how players and ccp can work together. One guy isn't really that much in the game scheme of things, and its getting a little annoying how much press EVE gets over things that aren't that newsworthy at all, because it crowds out the rest of the site.
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Posted: Sep 8th 2009 10:33PM DrewIW said

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Dblade, can you name a single piece of MMO news today that's as significant as this?

In fact, can you name any MMO that has major events and happenings as often as EVE?

Don't get butthurt just because exciting things happen in EVE. Just go back to WoW where the most interesting thing happening is a guild downing a raid boss... again... and again...
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Posted: Sep 9th 2009 2:35AM Dblade said

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Exciting? This is the equivalent of one guy getting banned for a speed hack. Or selling his account on ebay. So what if he was giving feedback to the devs as part of a player council?

EVE events are not happenings, they are just what other games do and don't get reported on. When FFXI banned for salvage, one guy who was banned lost an account with eight relics. That's an insane amount of effort-a titan is gimp compared to that, and thats not all he lost. I didn't see massively cover that, and rightfully so.

EVE is overrated as hell though, CCP is going to learn the hard way when DUST gets all of 10k subs and tanks on the console.
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Posted: Sep 9th 2009 3:54AM (Unverified) said

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Stop feeding the troll Drew....
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Posted: Sep 9th 2009 4:41AM (Unverified) said

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Dblade, this wasn't "some player." This was someone with DEVELOPER KNOWLEDGE. This isn't using hacks or cheats like anyone else. This is someone that a large number of other people, including the EVE developers, trusted enough to put him in that position. And he violated that trust. This isn't like a petty criminal robbing a bank, here, like a cheater is. No, this is a high-ranking elected politician using his position and knowledge of laws about to be passed to make a huge chunk of money illegally, or a high-level accountant working on Wall Street abusing the trust of those who put him in that position to do the same thing.

This isn't a small-scale crime like those that happen every day. This is big time crime, not unlike the very scandals that killed the economy.

Only in a game.

Lets see another game do that, hm?
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Posted: Sep 9th 2009 5:29PM Graill440 said

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quote]

"Dblade, can you name a single piece of MMO news today that's as significant as this?

In fact, can you name any MMO that has major events and happenings as often as EVE?

Don't get butthurt just because exciting things happen in EVE. Just go back to WoW where the most interesting thing happening is a guild downing a raid boss... again... and again...

Endquote]

This is to funny, Drew actually took the time to type the above quote. Silly people.
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Posted: Sep 8th 2009 9:11PM Its Utakata stupid said

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...not only do you need a spreadsheet to play this game, you'll need a lawyer. :(

Posted: Sep 9th 2009 7:34AM (Unverified) said

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Wow. For all of the benefits a CSM member is granted, he risked it all to make a few isk? He was in the position to influence the game he played, talk to developers, and fly to Iceland for meetings. All for a video game. I am simply floored that he would risk such a great gig for virtual currency. Corrupt politicians, even gaming has them!

Posted: Sep 9th 2009 11:03AM cchance said

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you have to look at it as what it was, greed 2 billion ISK worth of mineral that for all we know might be worth 10x - 100x that much after the patch, for all you know he could have sold it again for 200billion ISK, its ingame currency, but realistically 20billion ISK is a crapload lol
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Posted: Sep 8th 2009 9:16PM Brendan Drain said

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I think this shows that CCP take their confidentiality agreements very seriously. It's reassuring not only because CCP employees are held to the same standards but also because of the clear and open way this was handled. This was definitely handled the best way possible by all parties involved, including the offending CSM member Larkonis Trassler. It makes you wonder what you'd do in his position.

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