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Posted: Sep 3rd 2009 8:08PM (Unverified) said

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This is nothing more than legal jousting. I predict that Atari's motion will be denied, as a question of fact does appear to exist in Turbine's original suit.

In aside, Atari's countersuit for reimbursement of independent audit expenses is trivial in comparison to the original action, i.e. $30 mil vs. an audit worth at most tens of thousands of dollars.

Posted: Sep 3rd 2009 8:12PM Lateris said

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Atari has been dodging the bullet for a while with their own financial troubles. As part of the MMORPG community I support Turbine 100%. Publishers are like the Mob.

Posted: Sep 3rd 2009 8:26PM (Unverified) said

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It does seem like Turbine might as well have self-published from the beginning. Compared to the advertising deluge behind Champions Online, DDO was barely mentioned. While on the one hand it does seem a bit like sour grapes on the part of Turbine, the fact that they had to pony up their own money to make up for Atari's lack of support is what gives the lawsuit some credence.

However, I don't know that they'll win. While they can probably show Atari failed to meet their contractual obligation, Turbine chose to spend money to market and distribute DDO, they were not forced to by Atari. They could have chosen to let the game flop, cut their losses, and run. While it's admirable that Turbine stepped up, I don't know that the law will care.

Posted: Sep 3rd 2009 8:53PM (Unverified) said

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There is an argument that Turbine's actions mitigated their potential claim for damages against Atari. In other words, if Turbine had taken no action whatsoever, the potential losses and resulting claims against Atari for breach of contract could have been worth even more money.
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Posted: Sep 3rd 2009 10:10PM (Unverified) said

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to PeterD.

You will probably find that Turbine had, by contractual agreement, invested heavily in the development of DDO and that the argument will simply be that whilst that money was paid any failure to act by Atari would have, and will prove to, take considerable time in the courts and that by not taking any action themselves Turbine would have been out of pocket entirely with no product from which to profit from.

By putting up their own money they were able, at least, to have a product and recoup some of their investment.

I think contractual law is rather long winded, I mean there is no doubt they had a contract between them, the intention is there, the consideration is there etc etc. Just a matter of whether one side can show the other side has broken that agreement.
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Posted: Sep 3rd 2009 8:46PM agitatedandroid said

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The thing that is interesting and/or funny to me is the number of lawsuits the D&D world has prompted. The D&D franchise may be the most litigated game ever made from paper to pixel.

Posted: Sep 3rd 2009 9:21PM (Unverified) said

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I'm suing you for those comments.

Posted: Sep 3rd 2009 9:31PM (Unverified) said

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Turbine is just upset because Champions Online is doing much better then AD&D ever did or ever will. AD&D should have stayed a table top game and never should have been made into an MMO. Turbine just take the panties off and attempt to grow your balls back and admit that AD&D Online is flawed and that they should be great full that LOTRO is doing as well as it is because of it's fan base.

Posted: Sep 3rd 2009 10:18PM (Unverified) said

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I see that you have made your ass-clownery skill check.. but failed your internet intimidation skill check.

Let's talk in four months, when there is clearer picture on how successful Champions and DDO: Reloaded are when the all the other mmos (and expansions) come out.
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Posted: Sep 3rd 2009 11:09PM CCon99 said

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I'm "great full" for this comment, it gave me a good chuckle. =P
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Posted: Sep 3rd 2009 11:28PM jwoelich said

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Oh, you mean how awesome CO is doing, when they release a borked patch today, that potentially corrupted the install of the game, requiring a re-install? Or that people are going in droves wanting a refund?

Is that the CO that is doing "much better"?
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Posted: Sep 3rd 2009 10:16PM (Unverified) said

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I bought DDO when it came out, many moons ago. I played it for awhile. It just didn't work.

The problem with D&D in a computer game is that you MUST, absolutely must, radically change the way it works. The moment you do that, it isn't D&D fans get all in a rage about it. The fact is the ruleset doesn't work without a human being at the helm. Once a computer takes over and it is merely a calculation, it falls apart. The maths don't work. The DM in D&D games have always 'managed' encounters to help players live and advance.

The moment you put a computer at the helm it just adds up 1+1=2 it doesn't adapt, it doesn't work around, it doesn't change the story slightly. It adds up 1+1=2 oh you died. So they made slight changes, which I didn't think were enough to compete with the enjoyment of other MMORPGs. The spells are rubbish, memorizing them is boring, limited options in Melee combat compare this to every other MMORPG which is not constrained by such a rubbish system, and DDO can not compete.

Posted: Sep 3rd 2009 11:10PM Myria said

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Ironically that's pretty much the problem with LoTRO as well. Tolkien didn't write with video games in mind (or even conceived) and much of what he did write ill fits a game format at absolute best. Turbine has put itself in a position where they either slavishly follow the source material and please the hardcore LoTR fans, or the deviate from it, have the LoTR fans in sackcloth and ashes, and perhaps make a fun game.

In both cases they've done their level best to slavishly stick to the source material, with predictable results.

Both DDO and LoTRO are lessons in the tyranny of source material and the cost of courting its rabid fanbase.

Hopefully future game designers will take notice, but I'm really not holding my breath.
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Posted: Sep 3rd 2009 10:33PM (Unverified) said

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@warfarian: Let's talk in 4 years once you hit puberty. In your case your are trying to sound intelligent but really you are just making your self a blumpkin eater.

Posted: Sep 3rd 2009 10:51PM wjowski said

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At least he's *trying* to sound intelligent.
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Posted: Sep 3rd 2009 10:39PM (Unverified) said

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@warfarian: No, let's talk right now. Try to state some actual facts and try to say some thing that we will give a flying f**k about. Trying to deflect and make the statements that you have just tells us that you haven't puberty yet.

Posted: Sep 3rd 2009 11:03PM myr said

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@Yakboy

So not only are you replying to yourself (Let's talk in 4 years... No, let's talk now) but you're failing at grammar too? Awesome job at e-thuggery, man.

"I accidentally puberty, what should I do...is this dangerous?"
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Posted: Sep 4th 2009 4:14AM dudes said

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Turbine are responsible for a huge breach and breakdown in trust against Atari. I doubt if I will play their games again, but I am sure they will get over my massive loss as but one single player.

At least Blizz publish their own games, although some legal wiz leech will try to get them to sue themselves if money is to be made from creaming off their successes.

Posted: Sep 4th 2009 3:06PM NyttyN said

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What, their suing "for monies owed"? Monies sounds like a word a 5 year old would use.

Posted: Sep 4th 2009 8:09AM (Unverified) said

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Arm-chair lawyers always make me laugh.

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