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Posted: Aug 26th 2009 8:07AM (Unverified) said

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I would cheat like the bitch i am!!! lol

Posted: Aug 26th 2009 8:16AM (Unverified) said

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No. I would report it to the Administrators or whose in charge with the game. The accidental discovery of an exploit is not an excuse to use against the system. It just so happens that it or might occur in such circumstances.

Posted: Aug 26th 2009 8:30AM (Unverified) said

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i wouldn't cheat. but i dont know if i'd report it either. mainly out of laziness, i admit. i really dont think cheating in games, multiplayer or not really affects the big picture, probably because i think most people dont do it. ( maybe thats just me trying to see good nature in most people)

i think finding a weakness and exploiting it, no matter what it is, is a primal instinct of humans, to survive, but now it it used for all sorts of things. theres a time and place for it - enlightenment is only the way to realize when it is appropriate or not, i believe, some people are hard-coded to never be enlightened, thus the result of these sorts.

Posted: Aug 26th 2009 8:33AM (Unverified) said

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Theres nothing to be gained from exploiting. Anything you cheat out of the game just cheapens the experience and you run the risk of losing your characters.

I play EVE, so I suppose thats more of an issue to me, I've got years invested into Xennith, a reputation, friends. Being a cheater would lose me all of those almost instantly. The stuff is secondary, I dont have much, but every time I look at my trader alt and think of what her assets are worth now compared to the seed money I started her with I cant help but smile at knowing that I managed to fight for that money against the rest of the playerbase, and I loved every second of it.

Posted: Aug 26th 2009 8:41AM (Unverified) said

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It is curious human nature that gets the better of us. I am sure there are some of us who would report the cheat to a GM. However, all of us would do the cheat at least one time. The big question is that who is going to keep abusing it? What is the fun in the game if you have unlimited health, there is no challenge that. When I played WAR Hammer Online people would use speed and health regen cheats. When you are in PVP and just killing the hell out of some one and they don't have a healer, some how their health magically gets regenerated. However, it is very rewarding to beat a cheater though.

Posted: Aug 26th 2009 11:19AM MewmewGrrl said

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You are so very wrong. How can you say "All of us would do the cheat once."? I have been playing online games since I was 9 years old, I've literally tried over 100 of them, and have seen, heard, read about many exploits, I have NEVER once been even tempted to use one. When something happens in a game where I get an item that I am not supposed to because of an exploit, I either destroy it, or ask for a GM to come take it, and I do not use it. It doesn't matter if other people know or not, what matters is that I am being honest and following the rules of the game. I had a character with bugged stats once in a game, high above what they should be, I deleted the character and re-made another one because of it. We don't all do the cheat once, we don't all cheat, funny how people who would cheat themselves think that everybody else would too.

I do not enjoy getting things that I don't earn in games.

Even if it's a game that I do not care about, I don't cheat out of respect for the other people playing it.
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Posted: Aug 26th 2009 1:00PM (Unverified) said

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@Mewmew

Thank you so much! it always makes me see red when all the cheaters say "Ohh you would cheat tooo! Everybody would!". I find it insulting and deeply demeaning to me as a gamer.

Just because some people can't control themselves in the face of an exploit doesn't mean that all of us would.

Some of us actually have self control.

Though I fear that more and more...we are the minority among players. :(
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Posted: Aug 26th 2009 8:55AM SkuzBukit said

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Temptation is easy to resist until tempation presents itself, heard that somewhere & it's very true, lots say they wouldn't until it actually happens, in more than just games too.

I've discovered multiple exploits over my 9 years of online gaming, & if I discover it I first try to figure out exactly how it happens, once I can repeat it I contact the developers & inform them of how to reproduce it, I've never felt the desire to cheat very strongly, sure I was tempted a little but I get more fun from games by not cheating, I learned as a teenager on my C64 it was far more fun to beat the game without cheats than it was to do so with them & I still feel the same way now, when you cheat in a single-player game you cheat only yourself out of a challenge, but if you cheat in a multiplayer game you cheat others out of a fair experience & I'd much rather walk around with the smug satisfaction of beating someone fairly & squarely than with the knowledge I had to cheat to beat them, therefore I wasn't better than them at all really.

Posted: Aug 26th 2009 9:52AM (Unverified) said

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Very well said!!!!
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Posted: Aug 26th 2009 10:06AM Joystiq Login Bugs SUCK said

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Exploiting is a lot like mastrubation. You are not really going to admit you do it in a public forum. Instead you will come up with lines like "I don' cheat. No sir-ee. I work out how to reproduce the exploit faithfully then tell the developers"

/me nods

Sure you vendored the loot you got ;)

Ahha

>.>

Posted: Aug 26th 2009 11:24AM MewmewGrrl said

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So you think everybody does it and nobody admits it? I find that a lot of cheaters feel that way for some reason. I HIGHLY disagree. I find cheating despicable. This isn't the same as a single player game where you only affect yourself. I have enough respect for other people so I would never cheat in a game, and I have enough of my own honor where I want to follow by the game rules. I don't even so much as accept gifts from others that were legally gained, I'm so strict about it.

There is no reason to cheat in games. I wonder what makes people think it's okay? Why don't you tell us? It's not as if anybody knows who you really are by a name you use to comment here.
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Posted: Aug 26th 2009 1:02PM (Unverified) said

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@Mewmew

They just say that to justify their own actions. paint us all with the same brush and then they don't have to feel so bad about it.

My opinion anyways....
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Posted: Aug 26th 2009 5:30PM Joystiq Login Bugs SUCK said

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Wow mewmew, you really need to finish school, stop skipping English classes and learn how to read and comprehend what people are saying.
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Posted: Aug 26th 2009 10:44AM (Unverified) said

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Personally, I think that I would cheat only if the opportunity to do so directly benefited me. If its something small that I can get by without, then I would likely report it, but if its something that will skyrocket me to Eden of wealth or power, then FTW. The thing is that, it is games that we are talking about, and if the designers did not make some parts so frustrating, or at least adjusted the said parts for the casual gamer, the exploits around that part would always get reported.

Graphical anomalies, sound errors, and perhaps some glitches would always get reported because they get in the way. On the other hand, it is less likely to report something that actually helps you. It is only human to take the help in conquering something, be it a game, or real life situation.

The poster Jay, is absolutely correct. Very good analogy. Everyone says that they never cheat. Hell, I was one of those people before. I would say: "I don't cheat!" and then turn around and use some cheats when I would get to a point of the game that I just want to pass and forget about. Obviously cheating in MMOs is a bad thing and I do not say that I do it, but if I suddenly got a million gold on one of my characters, I am not saying a word. I am spending it all on the AH before something could be done about it. Call me a cheating jacka$$ if you will, but I can tell you that I am only human. Developers make mistakes, players take advantage of those mistakes. In the end, it is more incentive for the developers to proof all the code.

Yeg

Posted: Aug 26th 2009 10:47AM cray said

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I believe most would cheat, including myself. Although I'm not a habitual cheater.

I do think game companies would do well to encourage reporting potential exploits by rewarding them for being "Hall Monitors". We need to change the mentality of gaming so that people understand that there's a code of ethics no matter what type of game you are playing. Its all about respecting your competitors and following the spirit of the game's intention.

Posted: Aug 26th 2009 11:15AM Firebreak said

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The problem is it is sometimes hard to tell what is cheating and an exploit and what was "working as intended". If you can kill a monster because he can't get to you cheating or effectively using terrain as an advantage. If the cheating is obvious then my answer is simple no I would not cheat. If it is not so obvious then answer becomes murkier as it becomes less obvious.

Posted: Aug 26th 2009 11:46AM (Unverified) said

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@Mewmew: Good for you!!! I am glad to hear that you are a flawless person who is superior to the human race. I was referring to human nature in general. Thanks for sharing that with all of us to let us know how "special" you are. We will all sleep better at night knowing this.

Posted: Aug 26th 2009 1:42PM (Unverified) said

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This is precisely the attitude that I despise when it comes to discussions of cheating. And it *always* shows up, usually pretty quickly.

To make a long argument short: whenever you find yourself heaping disdain upon someone for being a better person than you, it's time to reexamine your priorities.
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Posted: Aug 26th 2009 12:08PM Waxil said

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In a single player game do whatever you want, the only person you are affecting is yourself. Once you start whipping out the hacks/exploits/whatever in multi-player games you're ruining it for other people. I suppose this is really just an extension of griefing, and perhaps that's the motivation behind it.

Ultimately the companies simply can not police everything, it falls to the community to bring it to their attention. Be it +100 ten times to the same stat on a level 5 dagger in wow or GMs giving items out in eve, do your "duty" and point it out if you see it.

Unfortunately most developers do not take a harsh enough stance on the issue. What should be a zero-warning bannable offense (including character deletion to prevent transfer from banned account to new account) tends to result in "suspensions" or other wrist slaps, even for people that are repeat offenders. Regardless report what you see, don't do it yourself, and hope something happens.

Posted: Aug 26th 2009 12:42PM myr said

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I had a linkshell (aka guild) in FFXI that was caught exploiting an event- Salvage- a while after I left it.

The leaders were banned and everyone in the groups at the time received suspensions of varying length. Two of those banned had relic weapons that I helped to farm. Relic weapons that take literally YEARS to complete.

That said, what might have been a gray area for me before that is a definite no now.

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