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Posted: Aug 13th 2009 2:28PM (Unverified) said

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Tateru - a few comments:

1. The user to user transaction metric is a "gross metric" in that it captures a very wide range of transactions across a wide range of activities. There are multiple economic PhD theses to be written about it so really discussing it is out of scope for a blog post. We believe it is an important metric, but not the only one. It might be more useful to try to break it apart and understand it better. As they say, I don't make up the numbers, I just report them.

2. There are no changes to the U2U methodology, AFAIK.

3. The last time U2U transactions declined was two years ago after the gambling ban. It's been on a steady increase ever since. This time was the peak of the hype cycle for Second Life. Is it possible that the nature of the economy has changed since that time?

4. User hour growth slowed in Q2. But you don't discuss the impact of the bot policy on user hours, concurrency, repeat logins in detail. I am surprised as that is new information. Any thoughts there?

5. A clarifying comment on voice minutes. Voice minutes are counted by the number of users connected to a voice channel (by depressing the "talk button") multiplied by the length of time they are connected to the channel. They are "speakers" in that they depressed the "talk" button. This has not changed and the methodology is the *same* for teleconferencing providers as it is for skype, AT&T mobile and every other voice provider on the planet.

My apologies if my attempt to make an analogy with teleconferencing providers (where everyone is connected to a bridge but not everyone is talking all the time) and person to person phone (where two people are connected directly and generally one person or the other is always talking) confused you. Regardless, the methodology in terms of measurement is as described above and it has not changed.

6. In terms of per capita voice minutes, which ratio are you using? Voice minutes divided by monthly repeat logins? Voice minutes divided by user hours? There is no evidence of a *significant* decline, nor do I see any evidence of less voice usage among new users. Voice is an important feature of Second Life, and the majority of Residents use it.

7. I'd love to see your median concurrency charts and data. We look at that too. Concurrency might be a really interesting spotlight for a future post.

T
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Posted: Aug 13th 2009 7:11PM Joystiq Login Bugs SUCK said

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The thing with Lindens is that they are shadier than Politicians which means that they are a whole factor below the honesty of used car salesmen.

There are three faults with the Lindens.

One is of course their revisionist rewriting of history, things like U2U not being important when it was bad then suddenly becoming relevant when it's good.

Another is that the love to change the goalposts in the middle of the game and stuff anyone who was shooting for goal right then

The last is they lie. M Linden, Jack Linden, the ex Kate Linden, Z Linden, and now T LInden. It is endemic in their organisation.

The cop out that "this is complex and there will one day be thesis written about it is a politicans answer" The question was...

a. Last year you said it didnt count
b. This year you say it counts

Which is it? a or b (there is no c answer, just those two)

Like the lies that Jack Linden sprouted with the cash grab by the Lab that saw myself and so many of my friends leave the game losing THOUSANDS of dollars the lies of T Linden are just to try and make this aging and very much failing platform continue to look good to the addicted they have captured so they don't lose the very last people they are still milking.

Get in bed with the Lindens, you are going to catch a venereal disease.
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Posted: Aug 13th 2009 8:34PM (Unverified) said

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Hmm. I think there's still a miscommunication in the understanding of voice-minutes. I'll send you an email and try to sort that out. What you've said is closer to what I was originally told, but from your posting yesterday, of course, we got a rather different impression. Happy to sort that out, though.
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Posted: Aug 13th 2009 3:17PM (Unverified) said

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The trouble with t Lindens comments about the bot ban is that there is no *actual* bot ban inworld. Pull up the map and tp around at it takes just as long to find boxes of bots in the sky as it ever did - mere minutes. The bot ban has simply been another bait and switch policy exactly like the Adult restrictions are panning out to be too - why else would sims advertising themselves as Free Sexland and Orgy area still be sitting in mature rated sims despite having traffic of sufficient rate (70k+) they must attract the Lindens attention?
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Posted: Aug 13th 2009 7:47PM (Unverified) said

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I was actually just going to comment on this point, Hiro. You are absolutely correct!

It takes almost no effort to find hordes of bots and campers. Most of the bots I've found in my casual shopping and exploring were in fact obvious bots--ruthed accounts with generic names in sequential order (usually with numerals in their name). At more than a few stores, the bots were actually NAMED "bot123" etc.

So to cite that bots no longer exist as a prominent user hour accumulator is just plain silly.

I've not found anything in the Abuse Reports dialog that points to specific "bot/camper" violations. Torley alluded to bot usage as a reportable offense, but I'm not sure if that is official or just his personal perspective.
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Posted: Aug 13th 2009 8:02PM Joystiq Login Bugs SUCK said

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All the Lindens have done is drop them just enough so they can say "it's dropped" without actually doing what they said was policy... which would send the figure through the floor.

Are you that surprised that T is lying?
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Posted: Aug 13th 2009 8:35PM (Unverified) said

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It's true, you can find traffic-gaming bots or campers (or both) inworld in only a few minutes.

Nadine: As far as I know, it's an offense, but not a reportable one.

I don't believe T's lying to us. I'm sure the policies have had an impact and that that impact is ongoing, even if the enforcement rate for them remains less than 100%. I don't interpret him to be saying that bots are completely eliminated from the figures, by any means.

Some of them seem to be out of there (though I can't figure out quite where from), and that *is* having an effect on the figures. I think the usage-band data speaks for that. Has it got a ways to go? Sure.
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Posted: Aug 13th 2009 8:57PM Joystiq Login Bugs SUCK said

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Ah but Tateru, you also denied Kate lied to us when she said "Come and talk with Jack and M Linden" and they never showed.

There is no doubt that the Lab have removed just a small number of bots, that small number has had a sizable effect on user hours and concurrent logins (their steadfast number in the past that the platform was popular) yet there are seriously so many more bots in world.

85% of logins over 300 hours a month using non-SL clients and this being a pretty good indicator? That is what 36.5 million bot hours?

4,156 man years of bot camping per quarter.
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Posted: Aug 13th 2009 9:25PM (Unverified) said

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What incident was that?
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Posted: Aug 13th 2009 10:46PM Joystiq Login Bugs SUCK said

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The openspace rip off of last year. You claimed that Jack and Katt didn't lie that they were only doing what they were ordered to, forced to stretch the truth...

Yet Jack clearly said "You are using these in ways we don't allow (To live on)" and "You are running more scripts on them than we allow"

Katt said "Come and talk with M and Jack about your concerns" amongst other whoppers like "At no time were Kids banned from exhibiting" despite people like me having in their hands emails from Robin Linden saying that very thing. Again you defended her. Said she wasn't lying.

You called Katt one of the best communications managers around, yet she delighted in eating popcorn after she threw a dead rat in our bed to get her lulz.
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Posted: Aug 13th 2009 11:04PM (Unverified) said

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I wouldn't attribute to deception what is explainable by ordinary error.
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Posted: Aug 13th 2009 3:49PM (Unverified) said

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83% of all statistics are made up.
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Posted: Aug 14th 2009 4:26AM (Unverified) said

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Hi there Jay:

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Posted: Aug 14th 2009 5:18AM Joystiq Login Bugs SUCK said

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Yay, a straight answer that I intend to hold you to. User to User transactions are an indicator of the health of the Second Life economy. (even with triple dipping)

Time to start pulling your historical data to pieces now, especially those quarters where Z tried to hide something.
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