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Posted: Aug 11th 2009 7:13PM (Unverified) said

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To say that clicking a link to a shady ISK site could install a keylogger is a bit of an exaggeration. You have to actively download a file or install a plugin in order to become infected. Simply visiting a webpage won't give you spyware.

Posted: Aug 11th 2009 7:35PM (Unverified) said

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Yeah...just viewing a web page has never led to a takeover exploit before....

http://labs.idefense.com/intelligence/vulnerabilities/display.php?id=457

http://www.microsoft.com/technet/security/bulletin/ms09-032.mspx

And it will happen again.
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Posted: Aug 11th 2009 8:35PM (Unverified) said

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1) Nobody uses Opera. First link is a moot point.
2) IE always prompts before running ActiveX controls, unless you specify in your options to run them automatically - in which case, you deserve to have spyware installed on your computer. In fact, you probably deserve it for using IE to begin with.
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Posted: Aug 12th 2009 12:51AM SgtBaker said

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Oh, like the 90-somthing percent of all the people who surf the web?

Fact of the matter is that there are so many ways user can be tricked into installing keyloggers and malware (some of the clickjacking frauds are very hard to detect, even for "savy" users) - it's pretty much valid to say "clicking that link will get keylogger installed on your machine".
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Posted: Aug 12th 2009 5:38AM (Unverified) said

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If you really believe that you are no security expert.

Just take a look at http://www.securityfocus.com/vulnerabilities

Look up MS IE 6, 7, 8

Look up Mozilla Firefox 1, 2, 3

Look up Safari even

All have had holes which dont require ActiveX (yes ActiveX has probably been the largest culprit of major holes, but it is far from the only culprit).

Opera, the most secure browser, has even had a few.

And don't forget to look up Macromedia Flash & Shockwave they have had some of the worst holes recently which have let some1 completely root your system even from a limited account, just by visiting a site w/ an infected flash file. All add-ons are just as susceptible.

The internet is a dirty place and you need to watch where you're going if you want to keep your PC safe. It's the reality of the matter. Unless you're running Lynx on a terminal dont assume nothing can hurt you.
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Posted: Aug 12th 2009 10:35AM (Unverified) said

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Well, I'll just say this then. I've been using the web for 15 years. I repair computers for a living, have a BA in computer science, and I have a CompSec+ certification. And through all of this, I have -never- gotten infected with spyware just by visiting a webpage. If you or anyone else has managed to do so, well, kudos to you. I imagine you're the kind of people that manage to get their cars caught in power lines.
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Posted: Aug 11th 2009 7:46PM phez said

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Total quantity traded * price of 30 day game card = dollars of lost revenue?

PLEX only validates the saying that eve is a work-to-play game.

Posted: Aug 11th 2009 7:55PM (Unverified) said

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All these dumb f*cks did by their war on ISKism is totally screw over anyone who bought a character with ISK in the last few months. I have 2 characters that I bought for 10 billion isk a piece because of their specializations, i've somewhat moved on to darkfall so I want to downsize from 4 accounts to 1-2 accounts and sell those 2 characters. There is not a chance on a cold day in hell I could get 10 billion for those characters now and their skill points have increased dramatically. This is the toon that 1000s of others are singing as well.... don't believe me go check out the character bazaar on Eve's forum. You can't even give away good characters these days... It pretty much ruined the game for me altogether.... oh well..... got some great games coming out these next few months hahaha... that is me laughing all the way to the bank.

Posted: Aug 11th 2009 8:11PM (Unverified) said

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Not being able to sell your extra accounts has ruined the game for you?

*boggle*
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Posted: Aug 11th 2009 9:31PM RogueJedi86 said

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This is me laughing at Mike for wasting his money and complaining that he can't make it back. Serves him right.

I almost uprated your comment for you being gipped, but then I voted down because I noticed that in the end, you were still supporting illicit ISK Selling.
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Posted: Aug 12th 2009 12:58AM SgtBaker said

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I could argue that the selling and buying of characters has ruined the game more than ISK selling has never done.

Dumb clueless f*cks buy multibillion chars for clear overprice, lose a mothership due to lolfit and then come and cry they can't get the same price back when they want to rage quit..

You lose in EVE buddy
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Posted: Aug 11th 2009 8:28PM (Unverified) said

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PeterD do you even play EvE bro? if not go play it for a few months and then come talk to me....

Posted: Aug 12th 2009 10:42AM (Unverified) said

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You clearly do not have the mental capacity for eve and are incredibly emo. Please go back to WoW (or loldarkfall)
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Posted: Aug 11th 2009 8:28PM (Unverified) said

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@Phez they are just bullsh*tting everyone who doesnt have half a brain(most) ISK selling/buying with real $ leads to no loss of money for CCP none whatsoever. Lets say person A buys and Eve Time Code with real $ and person B buys ISK with real $ and then uses ISK to buy Eve Time Code. That still equals 34.95 in CCPs pocket reagardless so therefore whats the fking problem?

Posted: Aug 11th 2009 8:48PM (Unverified) said

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Grief-ing much?

I mean I've been playing EVE for a good year now and I think that PLEX is a pretty damn good way to go. Its a win, win. People who like isk can buy it with real world cash as they wish and other people can play without paying up. Sure it may drive prices down on things such as toons but the positives outweigh the negatives in my opinion.

And in reality most people don't have 4 characters, 2-3 maybe but 4 is getting to be a bit much. For the average gamer who spends a good bit of his weekend playing EVE, PLEX is a fine thing.
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Posted: Aug 11th 2009 11:43PM GaaaaaH said

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The best part is when the ISK buyers do stupid stuff with it because they didn't learn the basic lessons that you get when playing up to that level legitimately.


Losing everything on your ship on death just makes it better
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Posted: Aug 13th 2009 9:48PM phez said

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Wow bro, how can you play eve with those math skills? The money from a gamecard goes to CCP, and the money you spent on ISK goes to ... the guy who sold you it? Thus the guy spending his time isk whoring is making the cash - and he can buy gametime with PLEX just as easy since he's the one making all the ISK in the first place.

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Posted: Aug 11th 2009 9:25PM Its Utakata stupid said

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What I find interesting is that you can get this threw ingame methods. It would be equivalent In WoW to buying a 60 day game card via the Auction House. This may help players with less disposable incomes as well.

Posted: Aug 12th 2009 1:13AM SgtBaker said

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Excatly - people who don't have much RL disposable income, but have plenty of game time (and in-game money) can benefit it through being able to buy their game-time with in-game currently. It's a win-win for everyone involved - only an idiot (or a cheapskate) would go and buy in-game assets illegally (unfortunately, like Mike demonstrates in above posts, not all people are blessed with brain cells).

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Posted: Aug 12th 2009 1:35AM (Unverified) said

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I feel that Eve's approach is the best, because it doens't attempt to censor human nature, but it does keep the real world money influence legitimate and safe.

The problem is the nature of these games, they rely SO much on grinding to the point that their entire business model is about stretching the content out over time due to the monthly subscrip. fee. Guild Wars is the game to look for in the future. I can imagine a GW-style game with REASONABLE "convenience" items available as microtransactions (For example, travelling rations in LOTRO) to allow capitalists to get their fix.

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