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Posted: Jul 27th 2009 11:06AM phobic99 said

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They're doing the right thing by focusing on the game and not drumming up hype. Props to Bioware for this.

Posted: Jul 27th 2009 11:12AM Miffy said

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You don't hype a game this much from 2008 if you plan on releasing it in 2011. The game will be released no later than fall of 2010.

Posted: Jul 27th 2009 11:18AM Pitt said

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March 2010 is my guess.

They are using Hero Engine which speeds up development by letting multiple teams work on the game in realtime.

They also have a crapload of people working on it.

Posted: Jul 27th 2009 11:36AM UnSub said

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All third party MMO development engines claim to save developers time. However, I don't think any MMOs using the HeroEngine have actually launched yet, not even Simutronics' own title in Hero's Journey.

Time might be saved in BioWare not having to build its own tools, but time also gets lost as pre-existing tools have to be upgraded / retrofitted to meet user needs. And then a new build of the engine breaks some important things and time has to be taken to fix them.
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Posted: Jul 27th 2009 12:41PM RogueJedi86 said

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"They also have a crapload of people working on it."

Don't forget a crapload of money from both EA and LucasArts.
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Posted: Jul 27th 2009 11:22AM Lethality said

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Kyle, can you possibly roadmap it against the timing of other "reveals" by Blizzard, approaching the WoW release? i.e. when did we really know mechanics, etc?

Posted: Jul 27th 2009 11:29AM UnSub said

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You start hyping your game this early if you are EA and LucasArts who both want a monster hit. Current plans might be for a 2010 release, but MMOs are complex things and I won't be surprised if BioWare delay release until 2011.

Horner is right - all the stuff they are releasing about SWOR is macro. The OMGWOW voice acting announcement is great, but how about MMO basics like guilds or character advancement? If it is story-based that's nice, but what about retcons or what happens at the 'end' of your character's story?

I know a lot of people are excited about SWOR but I think as more micro information is released there will be increasingly large numbers of disappointed people for various reasons. Right now BioWare hasn't released details so everyone can get excited by the big picture, but when more info comes out about how team-based decisions can force your character to do things you don't want them to do or how every new bit of story content has to be bought (all those voiceovers cost, after all) then a number of attitudes about SWOR are going to change.

Posted: Jul 27th 2009 11:42AM (Unverified) said

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They did speak (although vaguely) about the trinity grouping dynamic as it pertains to healing in a recent IGN interview:

http://pc.ign.com/articles/100/1007266p1.html

They claim it won't fit the normal dynamic of tank/heal/dps, but until they release more details I'll remain skeptical. I look forward to the game nonetheless.

Posted: Jul 27th 2009 12:27PM RogueJedi86 said

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Sidenote, but I'm surprised Massively hasn't posted an article about that IGN interview yet, since it went up last Thursday or Friday. It's mostly rehash, but it does have a few new hints on PvP, Healing, and the Holy Trinity.
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Posted: Jul 27th 2009 11:43AM (Unverified) said

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I think it's beyond silly to think that a release would be beyond 2010. They started developing in what, around 2006? Since when does it take 6 years to develop an MMO, especially one on a new engine which is supposed to drastically decrease development time?

It's stupid to discuss release dates at this point anyways since nobody knows anything about anything going on in the studio besides VOICE ACTING VOICE ACTING VOICE ACTING.

Posted: Jul 27th 2009 11:43AM Holgranth said

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""impending third World of Warcraft expansion (likely to land sometime in 2011""

I'm sorry but HOLY COW YOU ARE OUT OF IT.

There have been SEVERAL blizzard posts saying that patch 3.3 will be the last Wrath of The Litch king patch.

Patch 3.2 is currently on the public test realm and apprears to be one to two weeks away from ready.

That means patch 3.3 will be out in Late this year or early next year at the LATEST. The expansion will be out in 2010 if not holiday 2009...... and considering the agressive dev cycle and some interesting data mining evidence that indicates goblin and worgen may soon be playable I'd say they might actually do the promised expansion a year.......

TOR will probably be dealing with WoW's FOURTH expansion not third.....

Posted: Jul 27th 2009 12:19PM (Unverified) said

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Nuh uh, Third expansion.
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Posted: Jul 27th 2009 11:47AM Distaste said

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Bioware isn't playing by MMO info rules. They are playing by Bioware rules where they generally don't announce a game until a max of 1-1.5 years before it releases. They aren't releasing information because they want to save it for closer to release. The Jedi-Sith will obviously be released last because they are the classes that will create the most hype. Bioware doesn't like announcing things that aren't 100% solid. They also have information releases planned out so even when it does go 100% they have to wait until marketing puts it out there.

We actually do know a bit about mechanics. Like the smuggler uses cover and the sith uses rogue like action points. As far as other mechanics like advancement you should know that those can and do change. WAR's system changed when they shut down beta so no point in announcing it until it is 100% solid. It's not even in beta yet so announcing the micro-details that can/will change doesn't make sense.

BTW the voicework isn't revolutionary. Tons of voice overs have been done before in the starter zone of AoC and even EQ2. It isn't changing how things are done, revolutionary, it is just expanding off what has already been done, evolutionary.

Posted: Jul 27th 2009 12:57PM (Unverified) said

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Considering the massive amount of hype going on for this game already (yes, it is a lot of hype for a game with no release date) it really needs to release next year at the latest. Otherwise they're going to follow in WAR's footsteps of hyping too hard, too early, building up completely unreasonable player expectations, and then having it all fall flat when people are tired of the game before it's even come out. If Bioware isn't releasing until 2011, they need to shut the f*** up and stop hyping their game until it's closer to release. Even a holiday 2010 release is pushing it as that's a year and a half away. Most non-MMOs take that long to create from start to finish, hyping this far out is just irritating.

Also, WoW may have taken 4-5 years to create, but consider that at that point Blizzard was still a relatively small company and they were creating a game engine from the ground up. Bioware is bigger now than Blizzard was then, has plenty of funding, support from both EA and Lucasarts, and is using a 3rd party engine for development. You simply can't underestimate the amount of time it takes to create a graphics engine that is stable and does the things you want. There's a reason more and more companies are licensing engines rather than creating their own, and it's usually worth it. Aion is a prime example of a licensed engine game that has gotten fantastic results out of it.

As to competing with Blizzard's 3rd xpac, it's already in alpha so there's no way it's going to take until 2011 to come out. Blizzard is slow, but they're not that slow and they know they're going to finally start losing large numbers of customers if they don't keep the content flowing. I would expect Cataclysm summer 2010, or late fall at the latest, if not even sooner. A 2011 release would be a 2 1/2 year wait between xpacs. Blizzard simply isn't that stupid.

Posted: Jul 27th 2009 1:14PM RogueJedi86 said

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"If Bioware isn't releasing until 2011, they need to shut the f*** up and stop hyping their game until it's closer to release."

To be fair, BioWare doesn't have much choice on hype. The game has been shown around, and we potential players want more and more info. If they don't deliver said info, we will get bored. They need to keep us hyped as long as they can.
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Posted: Jul 28th 2009 6:33AM (Unverified) said

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Actually, they didn't build the engine from the ground up. The base engine for World of Warcraft is the exact same engine for Warcraft III. All they did was increase the scale and resolution a LOT. Blizzard stated as much in many early interviews.

Also, Cataclysm is NOT confirmed as an expansion to World of Warcraft. All we know about it at this point is that it was trademarked by Blizzard. It could be anything. And there has been no indication as to the progress being made on the second expansion, or what might be in it. And the masks are JUST MASKS. Until more information comes out confirming or denying the speculation, that is all that is going on. Speculation. Speculation does not equate to facts.

The first expansion to World of Warcraft took a reasonable chunk of time to come out, plenty of time to get the quirks of the engine worked out and all. The second expansion took two years to come out. While Blizzard stated that the third expansion shouldn't take as long to be developed, they are still continuing on their "when it is done" schedule. Two data points do not show a trend, and speculation is not evidence, which means that 2011 is a reasonable, if depressing, guess as to when the expansion will go out.

On the other hand, the way that the article is phrased, the author seems to suggest that tOR will come out in 2011 BECAUSE THE WOW EXPANSION IS EXPECTED IN 2010! Directly competing with a big chunk of new content in the most popular subscription MMO isn't exactly a good idea. Suggesting that they wait til the majority of the population has tired with the new content is perfectly reasonable, and perhaps a more successful strategy.
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Posted: Jul 27th 2009 1:13PM (Unverified) said

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I would not expect a third WoW expansion as late as 2011. Patch 3.2 is going to drop probably in mid-August. That leaves patch 3.3. Given their current development cycles, I'd expect that to appear in late fall 2009. What happens after that? There is no way we'll be sitting on 3.3 from late 2009 to 2011. Either Blizzard is going to have a 3.4 or even 3.5 (nothing has been said, but they have mentioned they are open to this) or the third expansion is closer to release than we know. I expect the third expansion will be out summer 2010 at the latest, maybe even spring 2010. I think Blizzcon this year should shed some light on this. If only 2 playable levels are available (like for WotLK in Blizzcon 2007) then I'm wrong and we'll have awhile...if more levels are available then the release date is sooner rather than later.

Posted: Jul 27th 2009 1:22PM Thac0 said

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I have no interest in hearing about a game this far out. The things a game company tells you this far away may or may not even be in the final game. Its all lies and hype. I didn't even read this article because i don't even think that game will be out until 2011. Whats the use in buying into the hype machine at this point in time. Are we that bored?

Posted: Jul 27th 2009 1:59PM (Unverified) said

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I hardly doubt next WoW expansion will be out 2011. Observing the present status of WotLK there is 3.2 patch on it's way maybe landing at September and after that the Lich KIng patch, whatever time they need to launch it it won't be more than 4-5 months after 3.2. So what the players gonna do one year in the game if the third expansion is to be released 2011?

2011 for SWTOR launch is a logical assumption tho.

Posted: Jul 28th 2009 6:36AM (Unverified) said

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Well, what did they do in Burning Crusade?

If there is going to be a huge chunk of time between expansions (unlikely but very possible), they might hold that last major chunk of content back until towards the end of the wait, to avoid having to make another Sunwell-style last minute patch. On the other hand, if they use the Sunwell mechanics, they could quite easily stretch out the content of patch 3.3 over the course of a good five months, leaving even less true downtime between patches.
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