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Posted: Jul 17th 2009 5:56PM (Unverified) said

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Everyone regardless should be able to play game in an environment free from Harassment. Diametrically some folks put way, way to much importance on orientation, especially in a virtual environment where such things have zero effect on game play.

Posted: Jul 17th 2009 6:09PM Celestian said

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What a colossal waste of time. You'd get more value doing one over griefers and asshats. Sexual orientation has little to nothing to do with games in or out of it. If you run around with a guild tag of "Rainbow Gay Guild" expect to get grief for it. You'll get the same amount of grief for having other RL tags associated with your characters because the anonymity of the net brings out the asshats.

You guys want the right to get married, go for it... trying to get people in games to be "nice" to you is a exercise in futility. In that respect you'll just have to suffer like the rest of us.

Posted: Jul 17th 2009 6:34PM CheesecakeBandit said

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If there's one thing the civil rights movement of the 1960s taught us, its that you have to push through the naysayers. People may bite, kick, scream, and worse at you, but if you stop, you can be sure of defeat. They're going to have to keep pushing until we finally get to a point where people stop using "gay" like its the "N" word.

Everyone should be able to play in an environment free of discrimination or hate. However, some people can't accept that, and we as a society have to move past them, at which point they become subject to the same scorn they placed upon others. Lets hope we get past this sooner rather than later though so we don't see the kind of bloodshed of the 60s and before.
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Posted: Jul 17th 2009 7:07PM archipelagos said

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I'm with Celestian on this. It doesn't matter who you are: be it black, white, gay, straight or an alien from pluto, everyone gets treated like dirt online at some point. Am I saying that it's right? Hell no. What I am saying is that coming online and expecting to be treated nicely all of the time is like expecting to live forever: it ain't going to happen. People online are, by and large, and please excuse my language, assholes. Anonymity does strange things to people and can turn the sweetest, most polite person in real life to a raging homophobic racist pig.

It's highly possible that I'm simply too cynical. That my many years of exposure to people on the internet has clouded my judgement. I truly hope that what Cheesecake Bandit says is true and that we do reach a point where it's unacceptable to discriminate and hate on the internet, that posting racist pictures and laughing about it is frowned upon (WoW guild reference) and that people treat each other with dignity and respect.

I just don't think that people are that nice, frankly. :(
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Posted: Jul 17th 2009 8:53PM ultimateq said

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I agree to a point. It doesn't matter what you do, they'll still be jerks. Though this could be a step in the right direction for other similar agendas.
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Posted: Jul 18th 2009 1:16PM (Unverified) said

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I don't think it's about getting people to be 'nice' to us. It's about teaching people about homophobia so they recognize that behaviour they may have thought was acceptable is in fact homophobic and harrassing. Seems you might need a little sensitivity training, yourself.
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Posted: Jul 17th 2009 6:29PM Aetrix said

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It appears that a major source of "homophobia" is the fact that Microsoft assumes it is inappropriate for people to imply details of their sex lives on a public medium predominantly populated by children.

Those monsters!

Posted: Jul 17th 2009 6:39PM CheesecakeBandit said

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And I say that the internet is not the place for those children(17- or otherwise) who cannot comprehend the nature of such delicate subjects.

I guess this is what happens when people go all out on marketing to families and kids...
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Posted: Jul 19th 2009 2:11AM (Unverified) said

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Indeed, it's a *terrible* thing when a husband and wife couple mention they're married or when a boy/girlfriend couple let loose in guildchat that they're having a nice romantic outing after the raid. Or just random guildies casually mentioning that they have boy/girlfriends or spouses. Think about the children!...Waaaait. You weren't talking about the straight folks who might be inclined to casually comment on this stuff, were you?

But when gay people mention the existence of a partner, it's "sex life." Gotcha.
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Posted: Jul 19th 2009 10:04PM Aetrix said

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You are missing the entire point. It has nothing to do with the fact that people are gay or straight. I WAS talking about EVERYBODY when I said that it's inappropriate to talk about their sex lives in front of children. Furthermore, all your hypothetical situations occur in guild chat, NOT out in public display to be read by whoever has had those words forced upon them.

There is injustice in the fact that a straight person may be able to get away with such a thing more easily than a gay person would, however the solution is NOT to give gay people a green light to break the rules. The solution is to take the rules as they stand and apply them to everybody.
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Posted: Jul 17th 2009 6:54PM Aetrix said

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Cheesecake, you're about as ignorant as the homophobes.

The fact that one is a homosexual does not give him or her the right to ignore common decency around children. Furthermore, children have as much of a right to use the internet as any other group of people.

Posted: Jul 17th 2009 7:10PM CheesecakeBandit said

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And I'm saying children don't belong on the internet unsupervised. Seriously, the internet was not made as a place to go picnicking with your family. If you want the corporations and government to censor the internet, go take a good long look at the Chinese government and see where that gets us.

On the note of decency, they said the same thing back when they were integrating schools, that the "colored" children would go and pollute the minds of their children. I think its the people who refuse to accept people who do most of the polluting.

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Posted: Jul 17th 2009 7:12PM archipelagos said

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Honest question: do you think that it's indecent to say that you're homosexual on a public forum that may or may not be frequented by children? I'm not talking about giving explicit details of your sexual life, just simply saying that you're gay. Do you think that is indecent, in itself?
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Posted: Jul 17th 2009 7:20PM Aetrix said

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We're not talking about the internet in general, we're talking about an online service specifically for the users of a video game console which is specifically targeted at a demographic of CHILDREN.
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Posted: Jul 17th 2009 7:36PM CheesecakeBandit said

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It was only really targeted at children in the past couple years. The Xbox(and its accompanying software) has been targeted at primarily college age males like most video games for at least 4 years longer. That's like going and changing a strip club into a chuck'e cheese without changing the sign or anything, and after thinking about that, I can't help but wonder how they didn't see this coming(or at least an increase in pedophiles). I think Microsoft basically begged for all this flak when they changed directions as soon as they saw the Wii without taking into account the current audience and game roster.
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Posted: Jul 17th 2009 7:46PM archipelagos said

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Nice to see that you answered the question.
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Posted: Jul 17th 2009 8:51PM CheesecakeBandit said

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Sorry arch, that, and all of this is subject to opinion. The problem is when opinionated people start viewing their opinions and values as fact, we get these fights and the fights in and of themselves are indecent. There is a lot of indecent things on the web, and they aren't going anywhere, especially while the net is held to be the pinnacle of free speech.

In my opinion, this is the sort of thing that belongs on the web. If we all don't have at least one place to voice our opinions or vent our frustrations, it builds up into hate, and as wise old Yoda said, hate leads to suffering.
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Posted: Jul 18th 2009 7:47AM archipelagos said

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Sorry Cheesecake, the question was to Aetrix. :)
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Posted: Jul 17th 2009 6:57PM Mr A said

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This is what I love about being politically correct. It tells you what you can and cannot think, what you can and cannot say. Hooray freedom!

Posted: Jul 17th 2009 7:18PM Aetrix said

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Too many people believe the freedom to think and speak as they please absolves them from any reponsibility for their words, especially when they are anon@inter.net.
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